Comments on: Obama and reform https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3677 2002-2015 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:31:18 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: Hugh Sansom https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3677#comment-26462 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:31:18 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/obama_and_reform.html#comment-26462 I was a great admirer of Obama. I voted enthusiastically for him.

But listening to Prof. Lessig speak so fulsomely (in the actual meaning of “fulsome”), so glowingly — with absolutely no qualification, as if this were indeed the Second Coming — leaves me terribly concerned.

There is simply NOTHING so far in Obama’s choices for advisers or cabinet members to sustain hope for a “transformational presidency”.

Moreover, the idolization of the middle is purely fallacious. Where on earth do Americans, including Stanford law professors, get the notion that being in the middle means being correct? The notion is patently absurd.

If being pro-civil rights in 1955 meant being left — and it did — then the left was correct. Being pro-union in 1932 was a leftist position. And it was the true position.

There is a world of difference in giving a hearing to all sides and trying to find a solution that synthesizes all sides. It is a sad commentary on American discourse that even the _best_ educated clearly do not understand this.

Moreover, Obama is most emphatically NOT giving a hearing to all sides. Entirely absent from his advisers are any representatives of labor, of the common people, of advocates for single-payer health care, of advocates for Arab or Muslim rights (most especially the rights of Palestinians in their own homeland).

All of this points to a nascent Cult of Personality with Obama as the Revered One.

Anyone moderately familiar with the history of the past three or four thousand years should be wary, at best.

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By: Traume https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3677#comment-26461 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:27:14 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/obama_and_reform.html#comment-26461 With that many campaign promises made, someone’s going home disappointed. I predict that he will outrank former President Carter as one of the worst presidents we have ever had. Not because of his political party or his views, but because of the damage he will inflict on this country with the help of an already voter-deaf congress. Congress is already spending our money like a bunch of drunken sailors (sorry if I offended any sailors but was trying to drive home the idea).

No, by the time this is all done, France will look at us and snicker that *we* are way too socialistic…

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By: Foresight https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3677#comment-26460 Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:44:11 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/obama_and_reform.html#comment-26460 Here’s a different analogy: The president and vice president get shot, and the whole world goes into a state of minor chaos.

Considering that we have sophisticated web collaboration tools to manage communities, why do we still have a political system that is so entirely dependent on one person?

I think we need to do more than change congress, and more than hope that our precious leader will be beneficent in his rule over us. I think it is time we started governing ourselves, ala http://metagovernment.org

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By: Future Caos Blog https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3677#comment-26459 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:57:02 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/obama_and_reform.html#comment-26459 I guess he’s (Podesta) saying, expectations should go up. They’ve been so low for the last 5 years, they can’t help but to go up no matter who knows what or who knows who. Back to work and back to the future. Have fun!

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By: Rick https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3677#comment-26458 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:36:55 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/obama_and_reform.html#comment-26458 @fdeblauwe
Nice work. Great analysis.
A rigorous approach might tend to kick out the data with results that are clearly not broadband driven. “Favorite son” states: AZ, AK, IL, HI, DE would be likely removals as well as DC due to overwhelming demographic issues. But as-is your conclusion seems valid. We can certainly ponder the old “chicken/egg” conundrum, I suppose, but it hardly seems worth it as we’d likely not get anything definitive from the exercise.
Interestingly, it begs the question: If Obama’s traction was within the broadband user base, did McCain adequately address the narrowband (dial-up) users? Both campaigns tended to use high-end techniques which the dial-up folks tend to miss or ignore.
Obama’s “broadband advocacy” is perhaps worthy of discussion in some other venue. Frankly, I’m hopeful that he might consider the cultural notion of “managing our technologies” rather then full-speed-ahead on the basis that it accommodates lefty thinking, offers potential short-term economic improvement, or simply that it might strengthen his base.

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By: John Millington https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3677#comment-26457 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:25:35 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/obama_and_reform.html#comment-26457 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/12/us/politics/12obama.html

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By: anonymous https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3677#comment-26456 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:36:03 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/obama_and_reform.html#comment-26456 As a long time fan of Lessig’s work, I found this comment really disappointing. I would recommend that Prof. Lessig read Naomi Klein’s “The Shock Doctrine.” (If he has not already.)

“The Shock Doctrine” illustrates how crises are exploited by those in power to further their agendas while those that are effected by the crises are too confused and powerless to do anything about it. It is a stern warning against the very argument that Prof. Lessig has made in his analogy.

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By: fdeblauwe https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3677#comment-26455 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:55:33 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/obama_and_reform.html#comment-26455 Reading about the Obama team’s relationship with the “net roots” and his broadband advocacy, I decided to plot broadband penetration against Obama vote % and Obama % – McCain %. I did this with state data. Some correlation seems likely and the outliers make sense. See my Word face-Off blog. Seems to me that for electoral purposes alone, he should make broadband a priority. Of course, he sees it as an integral part of our economic infrastructure, an area where we are running behind much of the developed world.

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By: Jardinero1 https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3677#comment-26454 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:26:22 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/obama_and_reform.html#comment-26454 I have a better analogy.

There is this frog and this scorpion and the scorpion wants to cross the river. The scorpion is all real nice to the frog and says if you let me ride on your back across the river I promise not sting you. The frog says yes you will sting me and the scorpion says no I won’t because if I do, you will die and we will both drown. And the frog thinks, wow, this scorpion is really different, he understands that we are all in this together, things are gonna be different, I can really trust this scorpion. So the frog lets the scorpion hop on his back and off they go across the river. Just as they get near the other bank, zip, the scorpion stings the frog. In its last dying moments the frog asks the scorpion why he did that? The scorpion replies, “Cause I’m a f$cking scorpion, you idiot.” The scorpion then swims the tiny distance left to the shore, laughs his a$$ off and sets off in search of another victim.

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By: Nick https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3677#comment-26453 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:04:52 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/obama_and_reform.html#comment-26453 I still have a hard time believing that pushing for more regulation and larger government grants a straight path to reforming Congress, instead of feeding the addiction…

Asking Democrats (or Republicans) to change Congress while giving them more influence/power/cash is like asking a teenager not to drink while handing her a fake ID.

As much as I want to believe that Obama’s and the Dem’s reign will lead to lasting governance change, I can feel the soft forms of influence picking up, the capture swooping in, and the embers of a lean mean government dying…for example, let’s pay close attention to the treatment of the Big Three, who are bleeding cash and need a lifeline. Will the inclusion of MI’s gov and reps as advisors provide an image of impartial decisions? I think not.

But im cynical and I guess I should give them a chance…

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