Comments on: the local ordinance we call the first amendment https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2611 2002-2015 Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:04:45 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: John https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2611#comment-4727 Tue, 12 Sep 2006 11:04:45 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/06/the_local_ordinance_we_call_th.html#comment-4727 Will they? should they? these are the two questions to be answered.

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By: scrapmonkey https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2611#comment-4726 Fri, 09 Jul 2004 00:58:13 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/06/the_local_ordinance_we_call_th.html#comment-4726 “I guess I never thought of a corporation as a defamable entity. Is that the case in most legal systems?”

depends what you mean – global quasi-legal systems are becoming increasingly relevant. and under Chapter 11 of NAFTA, corporations essentially get personhood – the right to sue governments for “appropriation” of profits thru regulations. it’s a mutation of the protection granted by the US constitution against government misappropriation of personal assets. similar rights are enshrined in other trade deals and generally recognized by the WTO.

and now this. i can’t imagine any current context under which microsoft would win this case. for now. but… slippery slope, anyone?

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By: Anonymous https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2611#comment-4725 Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:26:05 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/06/the_local_ordinance_we_call_th.html#comment-4725 The following memorandum has just been written to the
chairman of the Federal Communications Commission. Or we
can just pretend that it exists, as in the case of reasons for various
other governmental actions in last three years.

To: Chairman, FCC
From: Legal and Cultural Advisor to Chairman, FCC
Re: Alleged inappropriate remarks on public property (United States Senate)

Statement of question:
You have asked whether the Vice President is subject to fine by the FCC
for uttering an expletive on the Senate floor. You have also asked “how
the h-e-doubletoothpicks” you can explain the difference between Howard
Stern and the Honorable Richard Cheney, if asked.
Summary of Answer:
The Vice President is a fine man, indeed, and his hair is much, much
shorter in length and smaller in volume than Mr. Stern’s.
Discussion
It is important to note certain key facts that naturally have been left
out of the left-wing media reports of the Vice
President’s alleged sexual innuendo, and that also modify the Vice President’s alleged “admission” of such remark.
First, the Vice President realized that Senator Leahy was about to
unleash a massive and scurrilous attack on the Vice President’s
patriotism, and therefore the Vice President’s suggestion was in the
nature of pre-emptive strike. The success of his merely verbal assault
justified its use.
Second, at no time did the Vice President take off his bustier, nor did
Senator Leahy attempt to remove the Vice President’s bustier. Indeed,
the Vice President is a manly man, and there can be no reasonable
comparison of him to Janet Jackson. You asked about analogies to Howard
Stern, but it’s easier to make this point.

With respect to the law, it is true that the Vice President has gone on
Fox television in order to un-deny the incident, and now unfair commentators
in other (jealous) media claim some analogy between his alleged obscenity and Mr. Stern’s. However, as the Vice President explained in a fair and balanced manner, his utterance made him feel good, as the co-leader of the Administration in charge of immediate and long-term decisions. Mr. Stern, however, has often said that he does not feel good about the Administration. So this is, in legal parlance, a “big difference” between the Vice President and Mr. Stern.

In any event, the Vice President’s suggestion as to a contorted posture
that might be assumed by the Senator was plainly not an obscenity but merely an
explanation of a loophole in the Defense of Marriage Act.

Furthermore, Howard Stern opposes the President. Senator Leahy opposes
the President. There is therefore a connection between Stern and Leahy.
Pointing out that connection is the job of any fair and balanced Commission.
Consequently, it is your duty to alert the nation to the fact that
Howard Stern and Democratic Senators are in an alliance to undermine
America. Therefore, if asked about the false analogy between the Vice
President’s (locker-room) humor and Mr. Stern’s (liberal) filth, you should say that
logic compels you to fine all Democrats to the limit of their campaign funds and to ban them from access to the airwaves. Precedent for that action is found in the self-regulatory proscription of accurate information on Fox News.

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By: Dan https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2611#comment-4724 Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:01:32 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/06/the_local_ordinance_we_call_th.html#comment-4724 Didn’t the government of Brazil sue (or threaten to sue) the producers of The Simpsons for “defamation” because they had an episode that made fun of that country when the Simpson family visited it (as they did, similarly, with Australia, England, New York City, and other places in other episodes)?

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By: Teo https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2611#comment-4723 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:29:06 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/06/the_local_ordinance_we_call_th.html#comment-4723 Preposterous!

It seems every time I reconcile myself to using their products (we are pretty strictly a Windows shop at work and I don’t have a choice), Microsoft does something like this! Along with detestable software, these unconscionable actions are becoming synonymous with the Microsoft name! Ironically, in taking action against Amadeu, Microsoft insured that his words reached a larger audience while further anathematizing themselves.

American corporate greed doesn’t surprise me anymore. However, I would expect a basic understanding of public relations to suffice in a case like this, where morals are lacking. Even if MS wins it’ll be a Pyrrhic victory, costing them more through bad publicity, increased criticism, and as someone has already pointed out, increased migration to other software.

I do expect better than this. (at least from any other company)! We should particularly expect it from businesses based in wealthy and free societies.

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By: Anonymous https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2611#comment-4722 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:33:35 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/06/the_local_ordinance_we_call_th.html#comment-4722 Alex
Micro$oft’s usual way of doing business is worse than the drug dealer. I think the drug dealer association (if any) should brought up defamation charge for comparing them to “money monger micro$oft”!!
Micro$oft is way low as a business corporation!

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By: itstr https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2611#comment-4721 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:26:18 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/06/the_local_ordinance_we_call_th.html#comment-4721 Go to this link! http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2004062401526OPCYLL

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By: Jimm https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2611#comment-4720 Wed, 23 Jun 2004 03:29:49 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/06/the_local_ordinance_we_call_th.html#comment-4720 This is exactly why we need to reexamine corporate charters in America. No company ought to be breaking the laws of the nation who charter them when operating abroad, and they certainly should not be suing and intimidating people under rules and laws that would not apply at home.

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By: Alex https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2611#comment-4719 Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:17:02 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/06/the_local_ordinance_we_call_th.html#comment-4719 While I sympathize with the Microsoft employee who worries that this may be a mistake, I disagree with him. I think it’s crucial for Microsoft to defend itself against these kinds of defamatory charges, especially in Brazil. You can call Microsoft a monopoly, but a government official making the charge that they are somehow morally equivalent to a gang of drug dealers (conjuring up images of, perhaps, Britain, Opium and China) is the height of irresponsibility, and the guy should be brought to heel for it.

You know, America opens its markets to a variety of cheap products from foreign countries that occasionally displace our workers. Yet nobody in this forum is willing to call any of the people running those foreign companies drug dealers. Where is the tool business in the United States? The camera business? The garment business? Are those in the rest of the world to whom we allow access to our markets and our store shelves as bad as this Brazilian claims Microsoft is? For providing operating systems to schools in Brazil?

The Microsoft employee has a point, though. It’s hard to be generous and defensive at the same time. Unfortunately, a lot of the people here on the Lessig blog want Microsoft to be neither – they want them to be gone.

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By: Anonymous https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2611#comment-4718 Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:40:09 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/06/the_local_ordinance_we_call_th.html#comment-4718 This isn’t the first time – and it’s happened in the US. An internet entrepreneur was hassled by MS into discontinuing the sale of T-shirts with a wonderfully imaginative “Bill Gates as Borg” graphic. Satire isn’t permitted in MS Land either.

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