Comments on: law school created monopolies https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3789 2002-2015 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:03:18 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: Topher https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3789#comment-28841 Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:03:18 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/law_school_created_monopolies.html#comment-28841 In California you can sit for the bar exam and then practice as a lawyer without having attended law school so all you cheeps out there can see how well you fare with that exam and then attempting to find a job that pays 100,000 PER YEAR when you’re not willing to take out loans for a three year total of 125,000

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By: Huck Finne https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3789#comment-28840 Mon, 25 May 2009 20:15:55 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/law_school_created_monopolies.html#comment-28840 Go take a look at 740 15th St NW in Washington. It’s the ABA building, and it stands as a clear testament to the monumental profits the accrue to cartels. Of course the ABA would argue that they’re providing standards, but then why does every state bar association besides California prevent graduates of California’s non-ABA accredited law schools from sitting the bar exam. Why not let the results of the bar exam – comparisons are conveniently unavailable – speak for themselves? Further, those school are able to offer a competitive legal education at a fraction of the price of ABA accredited schools.

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By: Scott https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3789#comment-28839 Sun, 24 May 2009 23:56:58 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/law_school_created_monopolies.html#comment-28839 To Steve Baba:

How many Law Schools have you been to? I’ve been to a few and they are all POSH! I mean seriously fancy, wood paneled walls, marble floors, tall ceilings, statues and other fancy decorations. At my alma mater the law school was a palace, while I crossed my fingers every time I used the elevator in the physics department, as a disabled wheelchair user getting stuck in the rickety old rat trap would not be fun, trust me I’de use the stairs if i had a choice.

Bottom line, the only reason it costs 50 Million to start a law school is the lawyers want it to. The all want to make piles of money. I’m sorry buy most lawyers are the biggest hypocrites on the planet, charging $350-$500 an hour just to return your email, with a 10 min minimum when it took one minuet at the longest to write and send the two sentence response to a simple question. They profit from the fiction they are some how worth the huge sums they charge and all work in collusion to fix the prices at levels no other profession can get away with, may of whom have as much if not more education and often actually produce something of lasting value to society. There is no question that resolving disputes is important, but is it really more important that actually providing a positive good or service? It is really just a drain on society.

A law school could be quite cheep if setup that way, they need no lab equipment, or consumable materials to use in experiments, if the book makers did not introduce a new version of each book ever year or two the same books could last for decades, especially in light of the fact that most “revisions” just involve changing the order of the practice problems in the ends of the chapters. Education is being made expensive to exclude those that can’t pay and extort as much as possible from those who can. This also leaves many students with huge student loans to pay down, so they must charge unfair rates to pay of the loans that go to making the school like a palace. What a waste. So please all you lawyers out the talk a good hard look in the mirror and ask yourself honestly is what you do fair and honest? The face looking back may answer NO!

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By: Steve Baba https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3789#comment-28838 Tue, 19 May 2009 00:23:10 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/law_school_created_monopolies.html#comment-28838 The perception that law schools are “cash cows” that bring in big money for universities because they have much lower overhead than other professional schools is a myth, he said.

Law schools need at least $50 million to get started, he said, and have much higher operating costs — including career services staffers and admissions teams — than in the past. Moreover, public law schools, which can charge lower tuition, require states to kick in the shortfall, he noted.
http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1202421786165&slreturn=1

Law School Will Cut Staff To Trim Budget
Acting Dean says layoffs are inevitable due to drop in endowment payout
Published On Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:43 PM

By ELIAS J GROLL
Crimson Staff Writer

Harvard Law School will lay off staff members in response to budgetary constraints imposed by University administrators, acting Dean Howell E. Jackson said Monday.

The likely layoffs come amidst continued estimates of a 30 percent decline in endowment value by year’s end and a corresponding reduction in the endowment payout—a major source of funding for the University’s different schools that accounts for 40 percent of the Law School’s annual revenue.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=528124

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By: C.T. https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3789#comment-28837 Mon, 18 May 2009 23:15:35 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/law_school_created_monopolies.html#comment-28837 “Except for a few for-profit schools, Stanford and virtually all other schools lose money on every student.”

This couldn’t be more wrong as far as law schools are concerned. Law schools are veritable cash-cows for their respective institutions.

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By: Steve Baba https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3789#comment-28836 Mon, 18 May 2009 22:23:40 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/law_school_created_monopolies.html#comment-28836 “To the people pointing out that you can buy the books of ten tests….”

The fault is clearly with the writer, Lessig, in this case for being unclear, likely to intentionally overstate his case.

It’s too bad bloggers and lawyers can’t write as clear as say a typical journalism major like Sarah Palin.

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By: The Bagman https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3789#comment-28835 Mon, 18 May 2009 22:22:52 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/law_school_created_monopolies.html#comment-28835 My point is not that everything the LSAC does is perfect. My point is that you can get more than adequate prep just with the free downloads and the 30 tests in the compilation books, which available for free (from libraries) or cheap ($2/test retail).

It would be great if the LSAC made their stuff available more cheaply, and if they are turning obscene profits or paying their executives obscene salaries, then that’s certainly something worth criticizing. Otherwise, I see the argument in principle, but I don’t really see a practical issue. Aren’t there way more exams/questions available for free or cheap for the LSAT than any other major standardized test?

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By: Alan De Smet https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3789#comment-28834 Mon, 18 May 2009 16:27:33 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/law_school_created_monopolies.html#comment-28834 To the people pointing out that you can buy the books of ten tests, the article’s author is perfectly aware of that. His complaints are many, but a few highlights are: Several tests are simply unavailable for direct purchase. The newest 10-test book (39-48) should have been out years ago, isn’t, and they have no plans to publish is, instead only offering those tests for $8 a test instead of the $2 a test the books provide.

@ Jardinero1: Clever troll. I must acknowledge your subtlety. You come across as so very sincere.

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By: Jardinero1 https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3789#comment-28833 Mon, 18 May 2009 11:52:26 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/law_school_created_monopolies.html#comment-28833 I am not sure why Prof Lessig has an issue with non-profits charging as much as the market will bear and making mega profits. Being a non-profit is not the same thing as taking a vow of poverty or a vow of charity; even if some non-profits clam to be charitable. Non-profit status is nothing more than a tool for avoiding taxation. It’s a euphemism designed to keep the public mollified in face of the fact that some legal persons make obscene amounts of money and pay no taxes. It is not unlike calling “state funding” of an activity by some other euphemism like “citizen funding”

Is the professor’s problem with profits, taxation or the fact that he was fooled by the euphemism?

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By: Steve Baba https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3789#comment-28832 Mon, 18 May 2009 02:23:03 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/law_school_created_monopolies.html#comment-28832 If one is the typical lawyer/law student just trying to get into the local state school, then the one or two free sample tests and a $20 book of ten is likely more than one needs. If one is trying to get into Stanford or Harvard one will likely burn through many more tests studying, and the people who can afford the extra tests and courses will have an advantage. Likewise, test-challenged but motivated students trying to get into any law school could also use the extra tests.

In addition to being unfair to the (relatively) poor, it does strike me as being an economically inefficient misallocation of human resources that only a lawyer-designed system would produce.

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