Comments on: the catastrophe, round 3? https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3065 2002-2015 Thu, 07 Jan 2016 09:59:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: LYNN REEVES https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3065#comment-12272 Thu, 07 Jan 2016 09:59:00 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/09/the_catastrophe_round_3.html#comment-12272 among the lot was the clear picture it gave of the work by some bit of
government down there to forbid people from leaving the city. The story
is told by a group of paramedics at a convention in New Orleans; it is
about the force used to keep

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By: LYNN REEVES https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3065#comment-12271 Thu, 07 Jan 2016 09:58:00 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/09/the_catastrophe_round_3.html#comment-12271 an extraordinary collection of stories from New Orleans. Most
extraordinary among the lot was the clear picture it gave of the work by
some bit of government down tắm trắng an toàn hiệu quả tphcm | tam trang an toan hieu qua nhanh nhat | tam trang an toan hieu qua nhat | tam trang an toan va hieu qua | tam trang an toan ma hieu qua | tam trang an toan gia re |

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By: LYNN REEVES https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3065#comment-12270 Thu, 07 Jan 2016 09:57:00 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/09/the_catastrophe_round_3.html#comment-12270 y. The story is told by a group of paramedics at a convention in New
Orleans; it is about the force used to keep them (and others) from
leaving. giam can an toan sau khi sinh | giảm béo an toàn sau sinh | phuong phap giam can an toan | giai phap giam can an toan | giam can an toan khoa hoc | lam sao giam can an toan | giam can sau sinh |

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By: jadams01@sprynet.com https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3065#comment-12269 Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:05:42 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/09/the_catastrophe_round_3.html#comment-12269 Lonewacko,

No, wait–that’s not worthy of a reasoned response.

Ptooie on you, too.

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By: The Lonewacko Blog https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3065#comment-12268 Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:55:49 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/09/the_catastrophe_round_3.html#comment-12268 That’s nice.

However, the problem (as it should be clear) is the “at least in part” bit.

So, let’s say someone else comes along where they describe their experiences, but from a libertarian perspective. They discuss how they bartered for things, how they consulted Atlas Shrugged for guidance, etc. etc.

That account would be suspicious as well, because of the lessons the author is trying to teach. One would have a bit of trouble differentiating between what actually happened, and what was enhanced (or ignored) due to ideology.

I doubt whether the NYT would have “confirmed” that account without double-strong disclaimers. Of course, when it’s socialists offering a message the NYT is all ears.

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By: adamsj https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3065#comment-12267 Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:03:39 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/09/the_catastrophe_round_3.html#comment-12267 The EMT’s accounts have been, at least in part, confirmed by multiple sources, including the Gretna sheriff. They also happen to come from one of the left-wing traditions that happens to specialize in not making things up. (I’m rather familiar with both sorts.)

They’ve got good jobs, and I doubt very much they’d endanger those jobs by lying.

There’ll always be someone to smear people based on their political beliefs, but please note: Once you’ve filtered out the insults and the sneers from Lone (not–he’s reading his talking points) wacko (hmm…)’s post, all you have left is: “They are socialists and therefore liars.”

In other words, he can’t argue the facts, so he’s smearing the source.

Ptooie on that, and shame on the Lonewacko.

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By: The Lonewacko Blog https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3065#comment-12266 Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:53:35 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/09/the_catastrophe_round_3.html#comment-12266 legal advocacy teams should be included in future disaster response plans

I’ve thought that for a long time. Lawyers make excellent flotation devices.

The EMT’s screed was first published on a socialist site, and it’s dripping with socialist “lessons”, albeit not quite at the polished level of Soviet propaganda.

That’s fine, but then when the MSM starts quoting it, they tend to leave off the fact that the original screed was trying to teach as well as inform.

For instance, here’s the New York Times on the Gretna bridge events. They “confirmed” the EMT’s accounts, then they selectively quoted from it.

Note that Nagin or his people told people to head to the bridge, and he thought they could stay on the highway.

Note that the tourists in the screed were white or Asian, yet we’re told by (projecting?) divisive “liberals” that it was racism. The facts of the matter – and a deeper analysis than race-baiters are comfortable with – shows that many factors were involved.

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By: Rob W. https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3065#comment-12265 Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:01:18 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/09/the_catastrophe_round_3.html#comment-12265 Digby says it was (conscious or unconscious) racism that led the Gretna cops to block the bridge. Certainly he makes an interesting point.

I wasn’t there so it’s kind of not my place, but I wonder what would have happened if the people had simply refused to stop trying to cross, just kept walking into the guns and dogs. Would the cops have fired into the crowd of desperate unarmed people who were just trying to get to safety and relief? Or what if the refugees had charged the cops? I know it’s asking a lot, but these were desperate people, and there couldn’t have been THAT many cops there; Gretna isn’t a huge city with a hundreds-strong police force, and certainly the department had other responsibilities that would take some of their available manpower away from the bridges. I would think that a group of several hundred refugees would have had little trouble overpowering a dozen or so cops, even with machine guns and dogs (how many cops were there?).

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By: Peter Rock https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3065#comment-12264 Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:46:18 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/09/the_catastrophe_round_3.html#comment-12264 Thanks Matthew!

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By: Matthew Lerner https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3065#comment-12263 Mon, 12 Sep 2005 13:23:51 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/09/the_catastrophe_round_3.html#comment-12263 You can’t listen to it here, but you can read the account of the two paramedics.

a reader:
“Gretna was already evacuated and could not accommodate refugees.”

With all due respect, this is either ignorant or disingenous. People were not trying to settle in Gretna, they were trying to get out of the flooded area via one of the biggest routes there is, which happened to be a federal highway. As others have pointed out, this is like if Brooklyn cops decided to close the Brooklyn Bridge to keep out the yuppies after 9/11. (Incendiary metaphor chosen advisedly.)

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