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By: dubStylee https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2259#comment-30729 Sat, 28 Jun 2003 16:31:11 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/06/fights_among_friends.html#comment-30729 Here are some ideas I posted on slashdot (see the interesting thread at
Replacement term for Intellectual Property
). Sorry for mis-posting them in this thread., but I thought they might be of interest.

How do other cultures define IP?

American Indian tribes have many many different approaches to intellectual property. Along much of the Northwest Coast stories and artistic images are considered to be associated with specific clans and there are sanctions for use without permission. A family has rights to the myths and images that define them as a family. These are the same tribes that had the potlatch – an institutional way of ensuring that property was not hoarded.

Another approach was that of Chief Joseph, who although he fought to protect the land of his tribe still denied that his tribe “owned” that land or that anyone could “own” land. He prefered to say that he and his tribe had *guardianship* of the land.

So perhpas we could think about IG instead of IP, talk about the guardianship of ideas that *belong to everyone*. This allows for protection of author’s rights — they are guarding the ideas that they put forth and no one should be able to deny that the author is the guardian of their own work or be able to say that someone else should be able to mangle the work and distribute it as though from the original author. But it also allows for treating human progress as the property of all and provides a basis for insisting that laws protecting guardianship do not become a form of intellectual hoarding.

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By: W. Smith https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2259#comment-30728 Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:48:11 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/06/fights_among_friends.html#comment-30728 Well, obviously there are a lot of people who dissagree with that. And you can add me to the list.

For one thing, one major thing is that there are for-profit companies who have decided that a good way to make money is to cash in on the whole thing. The people working on Open Source software at IBM and Redhat and taking home a paycheck. People at these places are going to work out their diffrences as well as they would at a closed source place.

The second thing is. I think some OSS projects are blessed with a good leader. Linus would be the best example. The BSD system has broken into 3 main branches do to ego conflicts, But Linux has stayed single. Due to the fact that A) Linus is the unquestioned leader, and B) Linus is a pretty cool guy as far as not being an egotistical prick.

If you look at something like the GNU core (gcc, the tools), you wonder how it managed to survive with Richard Stallman running things, but it has. But people do defer to Stallman and it works.

The most important thing in the Open Source world is how much work you do. If you deserve your ego, people will follow you and you can kind of do your own thing, if you don’t deserve your ego, you’ll get marginalized. (Like Eric Raymond 🙂

Oh, and as far as the ‘blog protocol’ um, what? Why do we need new ‘blog protocol’s? HTTP seems to work fine. The market is definetly large enough to support multiple tools. There are plenty of file server protocols (SMB, NFS), lots of IM protocols (AIM, MSN, Yahoo, and on and on). Lots of compression systems, ZIP, RAR, ACE, etc. If the protocols are open, toolmakers can support all of them. The task should be easy using open source libraries.

There’s no reason to be top-down draconian here.

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By: anonymous https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2259#comment-30727 Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:02:24 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/06/fights_among_friends.html#comment-30727 Right and what billg^h^h^h^h^h your corporate f(r?)iend doesn’t realize is that it works both ways. The open source movement will do the same with their products.

Outlook? We’ve got Ximian Evolution. Office? We’ve got OpenOffice. Windblows? We’ve got GNOME/KDE on top of Linux, *BSD. Photoshop? We’ve got GIMP. Cisco routers? Commercial firewalls? We’ve got Zebra, iptables, ipf, pf, etc.
Proprietary Windows network sharing? We’ve got Samba. Oracle, Sybase, and SQL Server? We’ve got Postgress and MySQL. Visual Studio? We’ve got Eclipse, Emacs, gcc, perl, ruby, php, squeak, and so on…

Can they compete with both free beer and free beer recipes? On all fronts? I doubt it.

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By: Justin Frankel https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2259#comment-30726 Wed, 25 Jun 2003 23:33:03 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/06/fights_among_friends.html#comment-30726 Heh well if you give people the benefit of the doubt and think they are good people, then he’s wrong. It is only if you assume people are cocky and greedy (and everything else that big corporations are today) that his point is valid.

Or maybe it really depends on why people are working on open source projects — If they are working on them because they are passionate about coding, they probably will work well with other people. On the other hand, if there is some alternate motive, they may be doomed.

Just my 2c. 🙂

-J

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By: Anonymous https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2259#comment-30725 Wed, 25 Jun 2003 12:31:49 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/06/fights_among_friends.html#comment-30725 As someone else within just such a large proprietary code company, “squabbles-about-egos-pretending-to-be-about-the-merits” is *precisely* how I would describe normal corporate function. The real difference here is that you have a 20:1 ratio in favor of people who do not have the technical skills to actually discuss the merits on their own, so it often can’t be about anything but egos anyway.

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By: Danny https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2259#comment-30724 Tue, 24 Jun 2003 23:12:50 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/06/fights_among_friends.html#comment-30724 Great to see you’ve signed up. If there was an ego-powered spoiler at this stage then I reckon it will be so obvious to all concerned where the problem lies that it would be a non-starter. Fingers crossed anyway.

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