Comments on: Global Warming (III): The Public Intellectuals Weigh in https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2724 2002-2015 Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:12:51 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: Alex Pinto https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2724#comment-6586 Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:12:51 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/global_warming_iii_the_public.html#comment-6586 Judge Posner

I agree with you when you place the global warming and the demografic explosion as the world’s worst ills. Even without considering the hypothesis stated in your post of a sudden change in global climate equilibrium. In the last 15th days I visited the republique of Maldives which is the first country that will disappear if the oceans level keep raising at the same rhythm. As I read there, the oceans level is raising 10/15 mm/year. Considering that the highest point in Maldives is 2 m, this beautiful and unique country will disappear in 150/200 years!

Alex Pinto (a portuguese follower of your posts)

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By: Jeff Licquia https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2724#comment-6585 Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:11:26 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/global_warming_iii_the_public.html#comment-6585 Never be surprised when an economist proposes that one spend one’s money on enterprises that have a chance at success.

Combating disease and mitigating hunger are solved problems. We have eradicated some diseases completely from the earth (polio, smallpox), and many countries in the world have reduced the problem of hunger to extremely low levels by historic standards.

By contrast, global warming mediation will be hideously expensive by any stretch, with resulting benefits that are slim to none. Kyoto, as controversial as that is, is thought to be woefully inadequate at stopping global warming. Moreover, plausible theories exist that attribute nearly all global warming to natural causes, such as increases in solar output. Thus, we are spending an enormous amount for little gain that we have some (however small) reason to believe may be illusory.

Also, before one can dismiss the economists, one must prove that one can spend $50 billion on the global warming problem and get a better bang for the buck than for the other things. That’s doable (say, on alternative fuels research), but it’s certainly not enough to slam-dunk the economists for foolishly ignoring the problem.

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By: Anonymous https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2724#comment-6584 Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:44:17 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/global_warming_iii_the_public.html#comment-6584 There seems to be a ridicule of people giving up their freedoms for federal security against terrorist threats, and I agree.
We should not be scared into giving up our God-given liberties to our national government for protection against terrorism.

However, on the flip side, there seems to be little concern over the idea of scaring people into giving up their freedoms
(and massive amounts of money) for federal security against environmental threats. We have witnessed with our own eyes thousands of people killed
from terrorist attacks; what we have with environmental studies, however, are merely hypothesizing, estimates, and predictions
(that have been going on for decades and have never come true to the extent predicted, by the way).

I strongly support littering fines, energy conservation, and personal stewardship of the environment. Let us not, however,
allow a political figure to cater to hysterical emotions and allow us to cede our freedoms to tyranny to embark on a massive
and vexing Gaia campaign any more than we would allow a political figure to overestimate the threat of terrorism.

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By: Darko Hristov https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2724#comment-6583 Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:22:12 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/global_warming_iii_the_public.html#comment-6583 “Malnutrition and malaria are serious problems too, but one effect of eliminating them would be to cause a population surge, which would in turn increase global warming”
What a fascistic point, and for a judge.

You are on very thin ice here. An African could then say that you should stop fighting terrorism, because terrorism is reducing world population and so preventing global warming.

God Save America With Such Judges.

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By: koreyel https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2724#comment-6582 Sun, 29 Aug 2004 03:41:59 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/global_warming_iii_the_public.html#comment-6582 In my book HIV should not be Number 1 either.

However in regards to this:

“The AIDS epidemic … is also readily controllable, without medical intervention, by avoidance of promiscuous sex.”

What role has promiscuous sex played in the success of the human species?

How would human behavior differ today if those having a predilection for promiscuous sex been exterminated by a virus millennia ago?

Is it possible for those with a predilection for promiscuous sex to alter their behavior? Or mightn’t one be about as successful at halting this behavior as one would be in urging dolphins to stop screwing each other wantonly?

Which is all to say: that remark was a bit too flip.

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By: Hal https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2724#comment-6581 Sun, 29 Aug 2004 00:06:38 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/global_warming_iii_the_public.html#comment-6581 I don’t understand this snowball earth theory. It sounds crazy to me. How could global warming possible lead to an increase in snow accumulation? If things started to cool off so that snowfall increased, then we wouldn’t have global warming any more, we’d have global cooling. But that would be inconsistent with atmospheric CO2 levels near geological highs.

More plausibly, any increase in cloud cover will serve to moderate the warming trend, acting as a negative feedback effect to stabilize the climate and avoid the most extreme negative predictions. Present climate models have difficulty with this phenomenon and it is an active area of research. It is exactly this sort of uncertainty which makes people hesitant to believe the dire warnings of disaster which you are offering here.

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By: Karl https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2724#comment-6580 Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:17:19 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/global_warming_iii_the_public.html#comment-6580 Re: the Malthus comment, it was flippant. I was trying to say that the Judge’s comment echoed Malthus, I wasn’t trying to lend any credence to either.

-kd

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By: Peter https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2724#comment-6579 Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:07:34 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/global_warming_iii_the_public.html#comment-6579 I am sure Posner has at least heard of and no doubt read Malthus, and also read the numerous scholars who have proven Malthus wrong. Forgive the following sarcasm – Karl, are you saying that as long as you have read Malthus it is alright to withhold treatment of a population so as to induce some sort of unnecessary Malthusian population correction? Who are you to make that judgement? Would you prevent members of this population purchasing life saving drugs and treatment?

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By: Palooka https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2724#comment-6578 Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:52:10 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/global_warming_iii_the_public.html#comment-6578 Malthus, of course, has been proven wrong. Except with the notable sub-saharan Africa dilemma, where there is so little political and economic stability that the market can’t function to meet the increasing needs of humanity, as it has done across the globe.

Interesting that you’d bring up Malthus, who environmentalists touted for years as the Mesiah. The coming population catastrophe. Yada, yada, yada, yada. Well, it never materialized. The nuts go back to the drawing board, and we’ve got another dime-a-dozen doomsday scenario–the looming global warming catastrophe.

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By: Karl https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2724#comment-6577 Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:27:31 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/global_warming_iii_the_public.html#comment-6577 Peter,

Posner has read Malthus. If we were to feed/medicate everyone, we wouldn’t be feeding anyone shortly.

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