Comments on: this is so depressing https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3275 2002-2015 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:57:17 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: Jim Carlile https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3275#comment-14911 Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:57:17 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/10/this_is_so_depressing.html#comment-14911 This might be a naive question, but why are ALL the European recordings blocked on the archive site? Does U.S. copyright law– and the retroactive extensions– apply to works that weren’t even registered or published here in the first place years ago?

I’m sure that many of them never were, or were never re-registered way back when, especially before 1964.

And here’s another thing. Why is my sitting here in California and accessing a web site in Europe any different than me flying there and accessing it locally? I’m not ‘buying’ the material from here. Why is one source of acquisition infringement, and the other not?

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By: kay withers https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3275#comment-14910 Fri, 03 Nov 2006 07:53:16 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/10/this_is_so_depressing.html#comment-14910 The ippr report mentioned above and all papers relating to the year long research project are available to download for free at http://www.ippr.typepad.com/ip/.

This includes a great paper by Rufus Pollock on the economic value of the public domain, something we also attempt to tackle in chapter 2 of the final report.

Please read it and let us know your comments if you have the opportunity.

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By: lessig https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3275#comment-14909 Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:47:36 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/10/this_is_so_depressing.html#comment-14909 kloot, I don’t get your point. Andy noted the anti-extenders didn’t introduce evidence of the economic value of the public domain, nor the value of sampling. So what? I don’t doubt that’s true. I also don’t doubt the reporting of what the other people said. That has nothing to do with the howler about the £143m. No doubt, these errors are not his — in the sense that he asserted them; they are just errors he’s reporting. But my point was about the balance in the presentation. Imbalance (regardless of how good either side is) produces exactly these sort of errors. AndyO was reporting them.

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By: Kloot https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3275#comment-14908 Thu, 02 Nov 2006 15:34:18 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/10/this_is_so_depressing.html#comment-14908 Professor, your feud with Andrew is beginning to look like a persecution complex.

I read the news article you refer to. Unlike you, Professor, I read to the end. He very clearly laments the absence of economic evidence for the public domain, and public domain benefits of shorter terms, such as sampling.

You owe him an apology – if your ego allows it.

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By: Evan https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3275#comment-14907 Thu, 02 Nov 2006 07:20:03 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/10/this_is_so_depressing.html#comment-14907 Ah. Thank you, Professor Lessig. That had been bugging me for a while–it’s great to have an answer.

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By: lessig https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3275#comment-14906 Thu, 02 Nov 2006 04:56:43 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/10/this_is_so_depressing.html#comment-14906 Re ex post facto: That clause was interpreted early on to apply to criminal laws only.

And Sharon: yes, that’s the way to email me.

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By: Janet Hawtin https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3275#comment-14905 Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:32:59 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/10/this_is_so_depressing.html#comment-14905 You will also recognise a lot of the characters in theme parks and movies from traditional stories, Brothers Grimm etc. Defended as IP by their current squatters.

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By: Sharpsight https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3275#comment-14904 Wed, 01 Nov 2006 23:38:28 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/10/this_is_so_depressing.html#comment-14904 Parasite
(sense 2) (pejorative) a useless person who always relies on other people’s work and gives nothing back.

FAIR COMMERCIAL COPYRIGHT PROPOSAL:
1. Protection of an artist’s or author’s rights, including the right to receiving income derived from their work(s), for their lifetime.

2. Should the creator of a work have no immediate family who are dependents on his or her income (e.g. young children or an elderly spouse), then copyright should expire upon their death, with the work becoming public domain.

3. Should the creator of a work die and leave behind immediate family who are *entirely or almost entirely dependent* on the creator’s income, and not capable of beginning to generate their own income (i.e. get a job), then copyright should be extended beyond the creator’s death for a fair and reasonable period (e.g. until any dependent children turn 21, or in the case of say, an author’s elderly widow, or mentally retarded child for the remainder of her/his life).

4. If the creators of works see fit to sell or otherwise transfer their rights to all or part of the income deriving from their work to another party (e.g. to a publishing house, other person or company), the exclusive right of the other party (or their legal successors) to receive income deriving from the work should continue until either (a) the creator of the work dies, leaving no dependents (as in point 2); or (b) the creator’s dependent children come of age, or any elderly or incapacitated dependent dies (as in point 3).

Greedy, parasitic, culturally sterile companies should no longer be allowed to feast exclusively on the creativity of the long-dead, and stifle derivative works. Assuming we haven’t destroyed the planet, in 300 years’ time will there be huge corporations which produce nothing new, simply living off copyrights preserved from the 20th Century? The way things are going in the USA & elsewhere this may not be as silly as it sounds.

I took children to a theme park recently, and found that I knew all the cartoon characters (which were old even when I was a child). Sylvester, Bugs Bunny, etc. Many of these characters are more than half a century old: where was the new stuff, I wondered? I was expecting a generation gap and found none: it has been filled with a congealed mass of legal and creative constipation.

“Consume our plastic product”
Bugs Bunny seemed to say
“Have a happy jolly time,
just like yesterday.”

And yesterday it was the same
and same tomorrow too.
Don’t check out that indie stuff
as *we’re* not selling it to you.

Our marketing is simple,
our marketing is clean,
not confused by creativity:
just buy from our Machine.

Hmm.. sound a bit like the fast food, pharmaceutical, & other industries too…?

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By: Evan https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3275#comment-14903 Wed, 01 Nov 2006 22:17:26 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/10/this_is_so_depressing.html#comment-14903 Yes, that’s the kind of argument that I’m talking about. As for the possibility that copyright law “could be considered not to apply to people, but to publishers and their works,” how could that change anything? Is there something in the definition of “ex post facto” that somehow limits it to when rights are taken away? If someone commits a crime, then the law they violated is rescinded (ie, the privilege is granted to them), they can still be charged, can’t they? What about people who are in jail after being sentenced under stricter laws–do they get their sentence commuted?

Even if it is true that ex post facto laws are only considered to be those that take away rights, the wording of the copyright clause seems, at least to me, to imply that there is some sort of trade-off with longer copyright terms, or at least the people who wrote the Constitution thought so.

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By: Crosbie Fitch https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3275#comment-14902 Wed, 01 Nov 2006 21:30:42 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/10/this_is_so_depressing.html#comment-14902 1) Click on the ‘contact’ option at the top of this site.
2) (In some browsers) the e-mail is obtained by clicking on the highlighted text ‘Lawrence Lessig’.
3) The e-mail is [email protected]

NB e-mail addresses are spam-protected on this site.

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