Comments on: 10 minutes on whether Hillary can win https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3504 2002-2015 Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:55:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: Don Turnblade https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3504#comment-23695 Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:55:04 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/02/10_minutes_on_whether_hillary.html#comment-23695 An interesting thought piece.

Yet, as a Republican, I found it very encouraging.

Would you consider helping to make the Republican Party all that it should be instead of propping up the present lot of Democratic candidates?

I meant this, as strait talk, no joke. It seems the disaffection Bill Clinton created is so huge; my wife re-registered as Republican and is glad to stay Republican. I have never seen a self inflicted defeat of the Democrats so great in my life or the living memory of my family.

While the Republicans are not always the prize one might hope for, even half the level of your creative energy would make of us all a better and greater America. Give it some thought.

Respectfully,

Don Turnblade

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By: Mr. Natural https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3504#comment-23694 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:15:00 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/02/10_minutes_on_whether_hillary.html#comment-23694 View from Europe

Firsts, total respect for this piece. It is a great and piece of analysis ( although I can see a dash of sophisticated propaganda).

The election of your president has probably more impact on our daily live than the one of our own leaders. Unfortunately, as second rate citizens of the “Empire” we cannot take part. Although we do not have a detailed view of what goes on in the US (Rome), we have the “helicopter” view and what is pretty obvious is that Obama is on his way and that Clinton, sooner or later will have to quit.

Now it raises two questions:

1/ Can Obama win against McCain at all?
2/ If he can, then who should run for VP on his ticket?

I have heard a very interesting theory: Clinton would drag Obama’s candidacy down but John Edwards would pull moderate Republicans in…

Any comments…

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By: Mark https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3504#comment-23693 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:37:00 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/02/10_minutes_on_whether_hillary.html#comment-23693 Obama naysayers continue to say that Obama spouts ’empty words’ and then compare his speeches to W.

Never the twain shall meet, people. It was obvious while W was on the campaign trail that he not only had trouble seeing reality but he also had massive issues with English. Like, he was unable to string words into coherent sentences. Indeed, he had Rove on his side, too, telling him that Jesus was his favorite philosopher. Like an illusory demi-god could even be considered as such.

Obama is Harvard educated and graduated at the top – not the bottom of his class – as did Bush – who, btw, was simply ushered thru that university (Yale). Obama not only knows English, he can speak it. Not only does he inspire, he lives his word. He has actually lived in other countries. He is a hybrid – able to see from multiple points of RACIAL view. He represents something totally and completely different from the past.

The naysayers are not used to that. The naysayers aren’t used to being uplifted or hearing inspirational speeches or being called to action because of something inside them. The naysayers are terrified small minded people who are used to top-down demands. Who have no place for inspiration because they can’t hear it in their own lives.

Get over yourselves and let the rest of us come into the 21st century. Obama is the man who SHOULD have been President at the beginning of this millenium but who wasn’t there in time. Now it’s his time. It’s our time. We march onward and need to reverse deep wrongs that W created with his cronies. If anyone thinks Hillary, as President, would be ALLOWED to set a tone like that you are sadly mistaken. There is so much vitriol still in DC about her and Bill that nothing she says or does will help the US or its people. There are far too many people who still have bones to pick with that team.

The same can not be said for Obama. He motivates tens of millions. He even draws from the other side. There is no way any Republican will ever say ‘I will vote for her because she represents my interests’. On the other hand, you hear that all the time about Obama.

So there.

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By: Paul https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3504#comment-23692 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:47:49 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/02/10_minutes_on_whether_hillary.html#comment-23692 WAS VINCE FOSTER MURDERED?

If you don’t know who I’m talking about, do your own research.
Draw your own conclussions. Exercise your own mind.

Has the world forgotten him? I haven’t.

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By: Jason https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3504#comment-23691 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 13:06:27 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/02/10_minutes_on_whether_hillary.html#comment-23691 What about the moral courage of trying to pass universal health care in 1993 and 1994? Why is Iraq the only issue in which you equate moral courage Dr. Lessig?

There’s also quite a bit where both Hillary AND your beloved Obama are playing it safe, but it’s about political reality. Ron Paul had excellent ideas but it got him only a handful of delegates and he’s fighting for his congressional seat now.

Please do not use polls. Kerry and Dukakis had huge leads in the polls too. Hillary is a great debater and I do not think the country is going to vote for what is. not completely, but very much 4 more years of Bush. I think McCain would be a major upgrade given his more liberal positions and ability to work with Democrats, but I think America IS ready for change and the GOP is about the farthest thing from change there is, regardless who the Democratic nominee is. I’m ready for a woman president.

And really, I’m a Democrat, but I’m tired of hearing the lie that McCain wants us in a 100-year war. This is a Vietnam veteran and POW. We’ve been in Germany since World War II, we’re in Korea, etc. Granted I don’t think Iraq is Germany, and we need to get out of the Arab world if we want them to stop bombing us, but you’re smarter than this… be honest in your presentation.

I agree with Sidney on all counts. You really think we’re going to talk about the 60s? Seriously? I really doubt it, this video is like the twilight zone. We’re spending billions of dollars on entitlement programs, the war, interest on our debt… you think anyone cares about a million dollars? If McCain didn’t get anything for AZ he wouldn’t still be their Senator.

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By: Mary https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3504#comment-23690 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:37:37 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/02/10_minutes_on_whether_hillary.html#comment-23690 Another effective presentation, Professor Lessig – thank you. IMHO we can frame either of two elections here. We can select an Obama/McCain fight – Obama can win that one (even if Seth’s nightmare Republican machine comes after him) The win would create a new political paradigm: bring on an entire new generation of young voters at the district and state level and point this country forward again. That paradigm looks toward the future with new ideas and methods to solve the new and scary issues the world has to face.

OR we can select a Clinton/McCain fight – she might win (probably not), but what we would be left with is politics as usual. Beltway politics would be based on the same paradigm we are working with now – you know, the one we’ve all decided doesn’t work. Professor Lessig is correct – if the campaign is about the 60’s the 90’s or whatever, it is about the past, and we’ll lose the attention of this young and newly inspired youth vote. I’ve heard alot of people say these youngsters won’t come to the polls, but I see my own children (20-somethings) involved, and based on the ages of the people I saw at my caucus, I think they’re engaged and they will vote – for Obama.

Seth’s “Old age and treachery will beat youth and skill every time” is the paradigm we want to change – the pattern of treachery, immorality and cynicism. While not entirely optimistic, I’m in the “What have we got to lose” camp. Either we take a chance on Obama, or we wallow in the unworkable past with Clinton or McCain.

And just a note on the bitchy side (I’ll keep it short because this is one of the precious few blogs that doesn’t get into that stuff), I can’t think of anything more depressing than having Bill Clinton back in the Whitehouse again.

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By: Nelson https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3504#comment-23689 Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:14:57 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/02/10_minutes_on_whether_hillary.html#comment-23689 Wonderful presentation, I can really appreciate what the “Lessig Method” does…it “feels good”. It allows you to build a theme without having to touch on the specific ideals and issues that your candidate has positions on.

The one specific issue you mentioned was Iraq. I’ll argue that only the future of the Iraq conflict is important, as America has already committed herself.

America is responsible for finishing what it has started.

Also, your presentation stated that McCain wishes to be at war with Iraq for 100 years. Whether or not you agree or disagree with McCain’s views, your framing of his statement is utterly false. Being “in” a country and being “at war” with a country are two different things, i.e. present day Germany, Japan, and South Korea.

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By: regine kelly https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3504#comment-23688 Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:34:52 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/02/10_minutes_on_whether_hillary.html#comment-23688 Thursday 21 Feb
Dear Prof Lessig,
I saw your lecture/video (blip.tv) on the electability of Clinton, Obama and McCain. The thought of this election being reduced to Vietnam and the 60’s (generational) is so depressing to me that it prompts this blog post.
May I suggest that you make it easier to FIND the b lue-screened “electability” piece as these weeks are crucial and it seems confusing that one gets routed to your Lessig08 piece (and good as it is I would like to see the other on everyone’s home computer in the next 10 days. I am a librarian and I think BIG!) It is not often that one gets to hear a brilliant lecture, elegant in its simplicity, delivered in such a manner.
Also, how about calling it—“Hillary Clinton, John McCain’s Dream Opponennt”.
I live in NY and can’t vote for you but I would if I could.
Thanks,
Regine Kelly
Hastings on Hudson

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By: sdef https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3504#comment-23687 Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:26:05 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/02/10_minutes_on_whether_hillary.html#comment-23687 Hoorah stated: She already has turned the race into the civil war alienating blacks.

That is an iincredibly illogical and silly statement.
The more I listen to the Obama cult members the more I realize how gullible we are.

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By: sdef https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3504#comment-23686 Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:22:28 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/02/10_minutes_on_whether_hillary.html#comment-23686 Hoorah stated “She already has turned the race into the civil war alienating blacks.”

That is the silliest statement I have heard in a long time.

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