Comments on: COPA is struck down https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3363 2002-2015 Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: Kyra D. Gaunt, Ph.D. https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3363#comment-15893 Thu, 25 Sep 2014 10:54:00 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/03/copa_is_struck_down.html#comment-15893 I work in childhood studies and once viewed the video and recommendations 2 years ago. It’s no longer available above. The links do not work. Why? And how can I access this vital info again?

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By: Antwan https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3363#comment-15892 Thu, 18 Apr 2013 02:34:53 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/03/copa_is_struck_down.html#comment-15892 Amazing! Its in fact remarkable article, I have got much clear idea on the topic
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By: John Swanson https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3363#comment-15891 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:37:20 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/03/copa_is_struck_down.html#comment-15891 I dislike negitive stuff! Instead of someone declaring content is harmfull, why not say it is “Kid Safe”. And maybe an age qualification. Then someone who puts a “Kid Safe” tag on porn content did something and not just oops, I forgot to place a h2c tag.

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By: Silence is golden https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3363#comment-15890 Thu, 03 May 2007 02:04:04 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/03/copa_is_struck_down.html#comment-15890 The irony is that a web site like Stormfront.org is free speech, and a penis entering a vagina is harmful to minors. For a 12 year old, buying the ideas of hate speech is way more harmful than seeing pornography, and I doubt it would adopt the H2M tag any time soon. The bottom line is that no amount of law or code can replace proper parenting. As for blocking international sites altogether, all I can say is this is not the Lessig I thought I knew.

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By: hedora https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3363#comment-15889 Tue, 10 Apr 2007 08:20:12 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/03/copa_is_struck_down.html#comment-15889 If the US government would stop blocking the proposal to add .XXX domains then we’d most of the advantages of the proposal without passing a single law. The idea with .XXX domains is that porn sites would register a .XXX domain name. Then censoring routers, browsers, and/or software firewalls would refuse to lookup .XXX domain names. Technological provisions (reverse dns lookups) would allow existing porn sites to keep their current addresses without bypassing the filters.

The porn industry has been lobbying for this for years. It’s more reliable than current filters, and they’d prefer self-regulation to new classes of legal liability. The sites have an incentive to register .XXX domains, since they don’t enjoy receiving complaints from angry parents.

Of course, neither the .XXX or the h2m proposals handle the really harmful stuff on the Internet, nor do they provide parents with much control over other types of content.

Are hate speech groups really going to censor their own sites? Should they be expected to? What about sex-ed sites? Religious historians? Ultimately, local communities and parents are going to want to answer these questions; the producers of the content aren’t qualified to do so.

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By: Andrew Radley https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3363#comment-15888 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:36:10 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/03/copa_is_struck_down.html#comment-15888 Nedu,

The access medium is orthogonal to the nature of the service I’m thinking of.

It’s worth looking at the anti-virus market to see how well the ‘end-user is responsible for all’ model works. Today anti-virus sales are at their highest. Anti-virus software installs are at their highest. But virus infections are also at their highest.

This indicates that there is a problem with this model, namely that the system of entrusting security to your average end-user is doomed to failure as their ability to absorb the level of detail required to protect themselves is doomed to failure.

What’s required is for ISPs to offer Internet Access services where the content is cleaned up before the subscriber gets it. Just like the water system. It doesn’t preclude people also taking their own brand of water filter into their home as well, but it does mean that the service is safe at the point of use. But the responsibility for running the technical elements for the majority of users is taken up, at a cost, by their ISP. The operations team of an ISP is far more able to run a good quality anti-malware service, or any other content security service than probably 95% of the their end-users.

My other point is that all these things must be configurable by the end-subscriber. I’m advocating a subscriber lead Internet, rather than a publisher/conduit lead Internet. Nothing more, nothing less.

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By: Adrian Lopez https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3363#comment-15887 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 13:40:19 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/03/copa_is_struck_down.html#comment-15887 This book should be required reading for anybody who suggests that indecent speech be regulated on the basis that it’s harmful to minors.

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By: Alan Green https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3363#comment-15886 Sun, 01 Apr 2007 21:37:37 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/03/copa_is_struck_down.html#comment-15886 I may have missed some detail (I’m better at reading than watching videos) but here are a few issues that I think would need addressing before a law came into being:

1. Is a search engine based in the US responsible for wrapping h2m tags around foreign, h2m content?

2. Will all web pages created pre-enactment need to be updated with h2m tags, as appropriate?

3. Society’s standards change over time. Will web content need to be periodically re-fitted with h2m tags?

4. Services such MySpace, LiveJournal, Digg, Wikipedia, and their smaller bretheren create web content from information entered by diverse groups of individuals. Will these individuals be responsible for indicating the h2m state of their content? If not, isn’t it likely that these services will wrap all user generated content in h2m tags, because that’s the simplest way to ensure they stay on the right side of the law?

5. What about video, pdf, bittorrent and so forth? What about the next big protocol after html? I suppose the law, rather than mentioning a specific piece of technology like the h2m tag, could create a regulatory authority that addressed each technology.

6. Perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying about the specifics of the law being able to be challenged in court. Courts are of no use to 99% of content creators. We don’t have the money, and if we had the money, we don’t have the time.

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By: poptones https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3363#comment-15885 Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:31:39 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/03/copa_is_struck_down.html#comment-15885 “The Law” has also made “perfectly clear” the rules for one man owning another, and for one man putting himself above another, and for beating one’s wife. The law tells us that homosexuality is deviant behavior, that sodomy is harmful to a society which tolerates it, and that you can marry that 14 year old with her parents consent but you better not take any honeymoon photos…

The law is an ass. Asking “how do we make the global internet better reflect our narrow perspective” simply won’t get you a reasonable answer no matter how hard you try to spin it. There are huge cultural differences even within one city; catering to political whims to overwhelm anything which threatens the most vocal minority’s ability to “regulate” all of society simply cannot serve liberty.

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By: Patrick https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3363#comment-15884 Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:27:48 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/03/copa_is_struck_down.html#comment-15884 Labeling is certainly one way to go about filtering material that is “harmful to minors”, but my concern is what happens to those people that make a mistake in labeling? Are they to spend time in prison and/or pay a fine because a prosecute and judge have a different interpretation of the law? The law is pretty clear regarding content like pornography being harmful to minors, but what about content who’s harmfulness to minors isn’t as clear? It seems like a sure fire way to encourage the more litigious among us to sue or file charges every time there is any doubt whether content is harmful or not. The tags themselves may not be much of a burden, but the threat of prison time or expensive lawsuits certainly could be unless there is a less subjective way of identifying content that needs to be tagged.

I am sorry some here can’t seem to argue their point without personal attacks. Calling someone a worm or a despot accomplishes nothing, but making this an emotional shouting match.

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