Comments on: A nice welcome home present (or early birthday present) https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3549 2002-2015 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 12:59:31 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: Canlı tv https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3549#comment-24455 Mon, 08 Apr 2013 12:59:31 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/06/a_nice_welcome_home_present_or.html#comment-24455 I have a question. What is your take on Expelled use of the XVIVO film “Inner Life of a Cell”? Is that fair use or is that plagiarism?

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By: Robert Nagle https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3549#comment-24454 Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:48:11 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/06/a_nice_welcome_home_present_or.html#comment-24454 To John David Galt:

You say that artists don’t create but discover. I realize that we are using metaphorical language, but I wanted to point out that this may be limited only to the visual arts. As a fiction writer, a lot of my stories are original and unique; to put it in another way, I doubt that anyone would end up creating a story even remotely similar to what I have written.

If I had never lived, these stories (and these prose versions) would never exist. I don’t claim that the creative powers of artists are superhuman and never derivative. But you should keep in mind that principles of one genre or medium don’t apply towards others.

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By: John David Galt https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3549#comment-24453 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:48:07 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/06/a_nice_welcome_home_present_or.html#comment-24453 @Windows XP:
An artist who creates a work at least partly to express deeply held political/religious/idealistic beliefs is naturally going to disapprove of that work being reused in an expression of opposing beliefs.

Some artists believe they have a moral right to veto any such use.

I disagree with that theory on three grounds, all unrelated to the content of either the song or the movie.

First, all art is derivative, so if you allow copyright to last forever, it’s not too long before it starts reducing, rather than increasing, the rate of new works being published (which is, after all, the express purpose for which the Constitution authorizes intellectual property rights).

Second, artists don’t really create anything; they merely discover (read Spider Robinson’s Melancholy Elephants if you need an explanation).

And third, the freedom to make political statements should certainly always trump any IP.

(For what it’s worth, I think both the song AND the movie are stupid, and whenever the song comes on I feel the need to belt out: “Imagine all the monkeys, flying out my butt!”)

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By: poptones https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3549#comment-24452 Mon, 09 Jun 2008 03:11:59 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/06/a_nice_welcome_home_present_or.html#comment-24452 You cannot say “this is worth helping because I find it to be truth.” The constitution doesnt afford those who speak some version of truth the right to speak – it affords everyone the right to speak THEIR truth.

If you cannot understand and respect that, you do not understand the Constitution of the U.S. – and arguably cannot respect those who have died defending it.

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By: Gerix https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3549#comment-24451 Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:54:18 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/06/a_nice_welcome_home_present_or.html#comment-24451 So tell me again why “Intelligent Design” should be considered seriously…
and why any intelligent person shoud assist them in spreading their propaganda?

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By: James Day https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3549#comment-24450 Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:06:03 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/06/a_nice_welcome_home_present_or.html#comment-24450 Robin, yes, if the reason for the use is criticism of the work then it needs to be discussing the work.

Fair use is not confined to criticism so in this case it’s entirely fine to use the performance to aid in recognising the work. In another context the performance could be used fairly along with direct criticism of it’s repetitiveness that could be considered to assist in allowing an audience to concentrate on the lyrics.

In the case of photographs or posters it’s been found to be entirely fine to use them simply as background images for decorative purpose in a book related to them. No criticism of the individual images required at all. Also fair use to include small versions of images in visual search engines simply to let people recognise whether the image is the one they are looking for.

Fair use is very broad and if you’re thinking in fair dealing terms that could perhaps be misleading you. The best remedy is reading lots of fair use decisions.

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By: Windows XP https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3549#comment-24449 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:32:57 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/06/a_nice_welcome_home_present_or.html#comment-24449 i totally agree with you, Naruto Episodes. why don’t people think things through before they just start sueing others? if there isn’ a need to fight some one for stealing penny, then why sue some one for taking a 15 second clip from your film?

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By: Naruto Episodes https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3549#comment-24448 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:29:40 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/06/a_nice_welcome_home_present_or.html#comment-24448 This is why the U.S.A. is “Sue Happy”. Everyone is always sueing for something stupid! I don’t know why Yoko Ono couldn’t just say something like “if you use a clip of mine, let me get 5% of what you make off the movie”. That would make much more sense. Besides, showing clips from another film that others haven’t seen would just inspire that person to watch that movie where the clip came from. It would make more sense if you asked me… but I can’t do anything about it.

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By: Larry Fafarman https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3549#comment-24447 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 09:58:23 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/06/a_nice_welcome_home_present_or.html#comment-24447 Beowulff said (June 2, 2008 8:19 PM) —

I didn’t see much in the ruling that seems to address the claims of the makers of the movie critically, though.

Judges are not movie critics. The judge’s two thumbs up were for fair use, not the movie.

Furthermore, the song ‘Imagine’ doesn’t seem to be used to critique the song, but to critique PZ Myers and/or his ideas.

It is still commentary and as such is protected by the First Amendment.

The argument that absence of religion leads to dictatorships did not absolutely require ‘Imagine’ to be made either

“O reason not the need! Our basest beggars
Are in the poorest thing superfluous.
Allow not nature more than nature needs,
Man’s life is as cheap as beast’s.”
— Shakespeare’s “King Lear”

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By: Gerry Werthers https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3549#comment-24446 Thu, 05 Jun 2008 09:42:56 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/06/a_nice_welcome_home_present_or.html#comment-24446 Oooh, I can see how many inches/centimetres this topic is already getting. To me the use of the song “Imagine” did exactly what the producers of the film might’ve wished for. Got a lot more people to see it and talk about it. Yoko, you’ve been punk’d!

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