Comments on: pandering to the anti-pandering crowd https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2272 2002-2015 Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:07:23 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: Jeff https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2272#comment-1767 Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:07:23 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/pandering_to_the_antipandering.html#comment-1767 I’d love to see Edwards, man of the people, explain why he created a corporation to shield his earnings and avoid paying $500K+ in Medicare taxes. It’s amazing that he wants to end ‘loopholes’ but uses them himself to avoid paying taxes that are used to fund healthcare for the elderly and poor.

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By: frank https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2272#comment-1766 Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:36:39 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/pandering_to_the_antipandering.html#comment-1766 He is a scum sucking ambulance chaser.

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By: Joey G https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2272#comment-1765 Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:48:14 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/pandering_to_the_antipandering.html#comment-1765 I think that considering the current state of affairs, gun control is hardly the most pressing issue for Liberal-Centrist America.

Howard Dean’s pro-gun position will have to be tolerated by the lefties if they want to dump Bush. Dean’s gun position can help him peel off socially liberal hunter types who see Bush as bad for the economy.

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By: criticalnow https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2272#comment-1764 Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:54:24 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/pandering_to_the_antipandering.html#comment-1764 If I remember correctly, Edwards has made some proposals to help small businesses. If I’m wrong, I wouldn’t worry about if I were you because I’m sure he’ll come out with some more soon considering the fact that in the Senate he works on the COMMITTEE ON SMALL BUSINESS AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP. He is working on it.

http://www.senate.gov/~sbc/members.html

Also, Republicans are trying to manipulate the public. The reason premiums are skyrocketing is because of losses by INSURANCE COMPANIES in the stock market, so they raise them.

It has nothing to do with lawsuits…MOST OF WHICH ARE LEGITIMATE LAWSUITS…and we know that is the case because the juries agree that the doctor was at fault. Remember, in those cases where the plaintiff’s trial lawyer wins, he has to convince a jury. You can’t call trial lawyer’s the scum of the earth, because juries agree with them, and juries represent…YOU…the people. So are you saying that…WE THE PEOPLE…have the mental capacity of dirt, to let the…”SCUM OF THE EARTH”…manipulate us? That’s what Republicans are saying.

And Edwards supports reforms of frivilous lawsuits, because he didn’t do any frivilous lawsuits when he was a practicing attorney. He had a screening system to weed them out, and that’s why LAUCH FAIRCLOTH could not win that argument against Edwards in 1998 when he ran for Senate. Besides, North Carolina has measures in place like having a licensed physician prove that malpractice had occurred.

Those are the types of reforms that Edwards proposes.

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By: Jeff https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2272#comment-1763 Wed, 16 Jul 2003 02:40:09 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/pandering_to_the_antipandering.html#comment-1763 Cheers for the National Rifle Association. When I learned that Howard Dean is much respected by the NRA, because he panders to the NRA, and when I learned that College Democrats on my college campus hate the NRA as if its a Satanic Organization, but they like Howard Dean, I wondered how many Democrats have changed there minds on the NRA?

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By: Trolls, ETERNAL! (.ru) https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2272#comment-1762 Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:58:23 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/pandering_to_the_antipandering.html#comment-1762 US accounting fraud is destroying the US economy. The harshest possible measures should be taken up to and including the Chinese way (bullet in the back of the neck, bill to the family).
OK, just bankrupting their entire families and barring them from getting welfare or any assistance at all, ever. And a federal boycott of any company that ever deals with any of them –
that should relegate the White Collar Criminal to flipping burgers.

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By: timid https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2272#comment-1761 Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:51:53 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/pandering_to_the_antipandering.html#comment-1761 “The specter of a jury award is a powerful force for good corporate citizenship”

Not true, in my experience. What I’ve found is that many corporations are so afraid of such lawsuits that they have overreacted and many stupid internal policies result that are actually employee-hostile and make the workplace less friendly. Sensitivity training? What bs — like that is going to change someone’s attitude in a day or two. It’s a good way to make employees feel like stupid children, though, and does wonders for morale.

I now help run a corporation and am deathly afraid of such a suit because my own capital is on the line, and a stupid lawsuit could take it all away. Some laws shouldn’t apply to small corporations, which are more likely to act nice because they are owned by the people who birthed it. Large corporations don’t have to worry because they large stables of lawyers and cash to back them up. But many seem to love to demonize all corporations without realizing that their beloved local bookseller or mom&pop is also incorporated.

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By: Mark https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2272#comment-1760 Mon, 14 Jul 2003 03:01:17 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/pandering_to_the_antipandering.html#comment-1760 John Edward’s had already given up the Tech Community and has no support in Silicon Valley as his base is the trial lawyers, and people who are not in companies with stock options, so his decision exhibited little courage, it merely catered to his constituency.

John Kerry showed tremendous courage on Thursday by also coming out in favor os expensing stock options for public companies. Of all the Presidential candidates, he had the laregst base of supporters in Silicon Valley. In Q1, he raised 1.5X more money in Northern California than all 8 candidates combined, so his position is very courageous and just the opposite of pandering. He has been a huge tech leader and Business Week previously declared him one of the Digital Dozen, so his stance here is simply because he feels strongly that it is right. Since we will now see checks dry up in Silicon Valley, I hope he will get the appropriate kudos for his convictions!

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By: Thomas https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2272#comment-1759 Sat, 12 Jul 2003 18:47:28 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/pandering_to_the_antipandering.html#comment-1759 Kim could you link to examples, I’d honestly be open to seeing them, while I am not holding my breath I am willing to give issues a fresh look.

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By: Henry Hager https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2272#comment-1758 Sat, 12 Jul 2003 13:44:28 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/pandering_to_the_antipandering.html#comment-1758 Keith Hudgins for President. He has put his finger on the causes of our discontent. Politics is built into our system of government, even into its organization in our national and into all but one state legislature. That’s where majority and minority caucuses come from. Attaining the majority is the essential means to setting the agenda and promoting policies held dear and important.

When the policies are the means and the end of holding office held too dear and too important, resultant policy is haphazard and merely coincidental. There is meant to be a line between politics and policy. Someone erased the line.

As to pandering, Senator Edwards has merely picked the much greater constituency. There are a lot more voters suspicious of options than those who have them. How better to showcase your courage than to defy the lion? Especially when the lion is really only a small pussycat?

As to expensing options, I know a fella who, in lieu of director fees the company was unable to pay, holds tens of thousands of options so deep under water that they are certain to drown. Worthless options must be accounted for as such and probability built into the reporting formula.

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