Comments on: On "socialism": round II https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3798 2002-2015 Wed, 19 Feb 2020 06:09:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: Caroline Wijaya https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3798#comment-29934 Wed, 19 Feb 2020 06:09:00 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/on_socialism_round_ii.html#comment-29934 Permainan poker pastinya banyak di kalangan remaja hingga dewasa yang sangat menggemari permainan poker, apalagi dalam 1 id game ada banyak permainan kartunya silahkan kunjungi situs kami untuk merasakan kenyamanan dalam bermain.
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By: Hrach Voskanyan https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3798#comment-29933 Sun, 23 Aug 2015 05:44:00 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/on_socialism_round_ii.html#comment-29933 very interesting article, thank you

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By: roger vivier https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3798#comment-29932 Thu, 17 Oct 2013 07:49:30 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/on_socialism_round_ii.html#comment-29932 it is thus not a matter of coercion versus no coercion. indeed, web 2.0 is an effort to memorialize into code certain rules behaviour that are highly coercive.http://www.rogervivier2014.net/

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By: oakley sunglasses https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3798#comment-29931 Sun, 22 Sep 2013 10:46:17 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/on_socialism_round_ii.html#comment-29931 as others in this thread have observed, any rule of law is coercive. it is thus not a matter of coercion versus no coercion. indeed, web 2.0 is an effort to memorialize into code certain rules behaviour that are highly coercive.http://www.belstaff–sale.co.uk/

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By: roger vivier https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3798#comment-29930 Sun, 22 Sep 2013 10:42:18 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/on_socialism_round_ii.html#comment-29930 from peer pressure and the institutionalization of accepted practice to enforceable regulations
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By: Matt J. https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3798#comment-29929 Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:46:24 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/on_socialism_round_ii.html#comment-29929 But it is still a mistake to say, “by coercion, I mean ‘law'”.

In fact, it sounds like the kind of deliberate mistake the Libertarians regularly make, as an excuse for their inexcusable denigration of all government and law.

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By: mynak https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3798#comment-29928 Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:22:37 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/on_socialism_round_ii.html#comment-29928 What should we call the type of governance mechanisms that are evolving (in fits and starts) at every level from the local to the national to the global, from peer pressure and the institutionalization of accepted practice to enforceable regulations?

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By: LSaldana https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3798#comment-29927 Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:13:05 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/on_socialism_round_ii.html#comment-29927 “But the “hybrid” economy is not that economy. The Facebooks and Twitters and Flickrs and Yelps! are not entities engaged in a global urge to hug.”

On this point, I am in agreement with you. When I first glanced at the article about a month ago, I was impressed with the boldness of the idea. However, the way the author defines socialism (“When masses of people who own the means of production work toward a common goal and share their products in common, when they contribute labor without wages and enjoy the fruits free of charge”), means that this new economy is NOT socialism.

As you say, Fbook et al. are not doing this out of the goodness of their heart. Thus, when we share online, we don’t own what we create: my Facebook profile belongs to Facebook, not me. If I do something they don’t like, they can delete my profile without giving me warning. That does not sounds like “owning the means of production” to me.

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By: three blind mice https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3798#comment-29926 Mon, 06 Jul 2009 05:19:46 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/on_socialism_round_ii.html#comment-29926 And as the Internet that Kelly and I celebrate doesn’t have “coercion” at its core, I maintain, it is not “socialist.”

in your book Code you say that “code” (i.e.,the set of instructions that dictate how a machine should operate) is law. as others in this thread have observed, any rule of law is coercive. it is thus not a matter of coercion versus no coercion. indeed, web 2.0 is an effort to memorialize into code certain rules behaviour that are highly coercive. (there is nothing more restrictive to freedom than code stacks.)

with its fundamental (we mice would say chinese red guard extreme) hostility to private property, the coercive shoe of “socialism” well fits the foot of web2.0.

wear it.

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By: Shmoe https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3798#comment-29925 Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:29:51 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/on_socialism_round_ii.html#comment-29925 Your meaning, and your point, are well taken, Dr. Lessig. I suppose the counterpoint I, and others here, were trying to make was: that American public’s understanding of concepts and ideas that make up socialism are, at best, shallow; at worst, they are distorted beyond all recognition. While it almost certainly was not your intent to further these misconceptions, you did so by using the term “socialism” in this idiomatic way. It is difficult for people, who agree with your core argument, to support you, when they feel that you are disparaging or mis-characterizing some of their core values. This is said in the spirit of constructive criticism, and I, personally, hope it helps you in your tireless work on behalf of the common good.

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