Comments on: My $50 House Episode (or how I came to hate Internet Caps) https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3740 2002-2015 Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:32:09 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: www.freevpnservice.org https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3740#comment-27882 Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:32:09 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/02/my_50_house_episode_or_how_i_c.html#comment-27882 Excellent beat ! I wish to apprentice even as you amend your site, how can i subscribe for a weblog site? The account aided me a applicable deal. I were a little bit familiar of this your broadcast provided brilliant clear idea

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By: Dartigen https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3740#comment-27881 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:44:53 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/02/my_50_house_episode_or_how_i_c.html#comment-27881 If you think that is bad, try this – in Australia, many ISPs have excess uses charges.
These range up to $1 per megabyte. I’m sure we all know the relative size of megabytes, right?

Anyway, when you factor in Windows Update (for Windows users – of which I am one), anti-virus updates, iTunes updates, and usual web browsing (what with all the embedded videos and suchlike)…I am sad to say that I’m not the only person to end up with over $500 in excess usage charges.
What’s worst is that there is no notification (from most ISPs) until you get the bill. You are relied upon to check a Usage Meter constantly, which doesn’t always work (sites have glitches, servers have glitches, and it doesn’t always come up with my ISP).

Oh, and beware of ‘unlimited’ broadband in Australia – it’s not. The best I’ve seen for an ‘unlimited’ plan was 150GB. 150GB is not unlimited, it is 150GB. Granted, most home users won’t use that in a year, but it’s still not ‘unlimited’. ‘Unlimited’ implies that there is no limit to the amount of data exchanged.
IANAL, but isn’t that technically false advertising?

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By: anon https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3740#comment-27880 Mon, 13 Apr 2009 04:12:38 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/02/my_50_house_episode_or_how_i_c.html#comment-27880 This is why I hate software that does auto updates behind your back. Adobe, Microsoft… they all try to update your software in the background, but they don’t realise that they can use up your whole months quota in doing so!!

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By: Don C https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3740#comment-27879 Fri, 13 Feb 2009 01:47:49 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/02/my_50_house_episode_or_how_i_c.html#comment-27879 As a House fan, I was going to ask if you got to see the episode (you say the connection cut off).

But then I thought of something else… were you also, probably equally inadvertently, violating the Apple Terms of Use for iTunes by downloading outside the United States? (That seems to be what the very first paragraph says.) I don’t think Apple means to be pushing HD versions of U.S. shows to New Zealand net connections. I’m surprised they did. (But I suspect you were tunneling or doing something else to get a VPN for security purposes that had the effect of making your location appear domestic.)

I’m against bandwidth caps — I’ll try to switch ISPs if my cable provider imposes one. But the particular problem you describe may have been at least partially caused by a mismatch between U.S. content expectations and New Zealand’s warped internet space.

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By: grin https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3740#comment-27878 Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:52:08 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/02/my_50_house_episode_or_how_i_c.html#comment-27878 Not wishing to stir the waters but since I worked for several ISPs which were pretty low on incoming bandwidth I do know that caps originate in two completely different sources.

1)higher profit. you lure peopleto buy cheap bas price and pay more. but I guess this is the more rare reason.

2) lack of bandwidth. If you have limited inbound you cannot just live with users using up 50% of your total incoming bandwidth onehandedly. This makes the other users experience terrible (say 3000 ms ping or 0.5 kB/sec), which is not acceptable. What can you do? You can prevent overbooking, and sell “100 kilobit” (that is appx. 10 kilobyte per second transfer rate) internet, run most of the time on 5% utilisation, good luck for this business model. Or you do overbook to try to keep utilisation good (70% is pretty fine) but then you do this for the _average_ users. But what do you do with those who have the right by contract to use 100% of their pipe for 100% of the time? THey use, say, 1000 times more bandwidth than average. So?

You cap the users, and use a cap which covers 80% of the users, pretty much more than average. They pay nothing more than base fee. And the rest of 20% who notoriously over-use will either self-restrain or pay, and more income makes it possible to buy more incoming bandwidth.

So caps are (or, in our present case, could be) the best tools for equalised use.

Now,only if it’s priced and communicated right. First, it is a fee, not a fine, and should be priced as such. Second, it has to be clearly communicated, so people with extreme appetite can decide whether to avoid it at all or not. In our present case it was priced bad, communicated bad, and done in pretty bad taste. But I see the reason behind it, do the math. How much bandwidth do you need to cover 1000 times 5 Megabits? (Since Larry seem to have got that amount.) 5 gigabits? Hmm, anyone care to guess the price of 5Gbps line to NZ?

Flame me. 🙂

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By: buckydonegun https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3740#comment-27877 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 08:56:59 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/02/my_50_house_episode_or_how_i_c.html#comment-27877 People should remember that his experience (shabby as it was) was on a hotel connection. Some people seem to have missed that.

While our broadband services are indeed crap compared to what US users enjoy, things aren’t quite that bad. 🙂

And as someone else noted, we can’t even use the iTunes store without some trickery anyway.

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By: Steve Baba https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3740#comment-27876 Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:58:46 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/02/my_50_house_episode_or_how_i_c.html#comment-27876 A local file sharing system? Why would a university student boast about an illegal enterprise on campus? Reading too much Lessig?

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By: David desJardins https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3740#comment-27875 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:08:44 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/02/my_50_house_episode_or_how_i_c.html#comment-27875 Your example seems to illustrate how bandwidth caps are good. If not for the cap, you would have blithely consumed disproportionate resources without even intending to. A cost for consumption has to be the first step in leading users to use resources in proportion to their value rather than without regard to their value. Otherwise we have the tragedy of the commons.

That doesn’t mean that a bandwidth cap or limit or sliding cost scale has to be enforced in this punitive way. But you certainly aren’t making a good case for unlimited usage with your example.

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By: Brett Glass https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3740#comment-27874 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:21:49 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/02/my_50_house_episode_or_how_i_c.html#comment-27874 A local file sharing system? Why would a university want to host an illegal enterprise on campus?

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By: John Thacker https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3740#comment-27873 Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:22:26 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/02/my_50_house_episode_or_how_i_c.html#comment-27873 Cornell University adopted a policy of charging for bandwidth *to and from outside the campus network* past 3 GB per month while I was there. They also cut the charges for Ethernet access on campus from $45/month to $22/month, while charging about $3 per GB past 3 GB in a month.

Given campus organization and technical skills, this caused extremely wide-ranging strategic behavior on the part of students. A student-run file sharing system immediately sprung up, where one student would download popular files and upload them to the service on the school network, allowing everyone else to download it for free. Credits and everything else associated with other file-sharing systems were adopted.

It was, undoubtedly, more efficient from a bandwidth perspective, though certainly less so from the perspective of students’ time. (Except for the experience gained in using a network.)

When companies like Time Warner suggest bandwidth caps are just about stopping “piracy,” that’s not quite true. They’re also about stopping lots of other business models that try to leverage the real potential of fast, cheap Internet access (assuming of course we can get fast, cheap Internet, or keep it where we’ve got it).

They are about both of those things. But they’re also about that anything that isn’t priced by consumption will see overuse and congestion if congestion is possible at all. It is true that a small percentage of users use an enormous percentage of bandwidth at any point. The Internet isn’t actually like a highway, where congestion i the absence of tolls is inevitable in dense areas, but the point is not entirely without merit.

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