Comments on: Digital Audio & the Copyright Gap https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2690 2002-2015 Sun, 23 Jul 2017 03:42:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: foerster452346 https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2690#comment-6050 Sun, 23 Jul 2017 03:42:00 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/digital_audio_the_copyright_ga.html#comment-6050 Audio technology is now more popular in the world. There are more people are now like to hear audio and they find more entertainment in here. So i hope such kind of new invention makes it so more familiar in the world.

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By: Doug Lichtman https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2690#comment-6049 Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:51:14 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/digital_audio_the_copyright_ga.html#comment-6049 Fred –
I know that the EFF makes that claim, but it does not ring fair or true. I guess I do not see the point of pretending that the other side is completely wrong. That allows for punchy posts, but it does not really help move the ball forward.

And Tim –
If we move to a system where there are only cash remedies, in essence the government is setting the price for music. I thought copyright was a property right for precisely the opposite reason: we want people to negotiate in the market, not the court room.

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By: Fred von Lohmann https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2690#comment-6048 Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:37:10 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/digital_audio_the_copyright_ga.html#comment-6048 Says Doug Lichtman: This seems a little one-sided, doesn�t it? RIAA is right, after all, that digital broadcasts do pose a greater piracy threat, especially in a world where peer-to-peer continues to thrive.

Nope. The RIAA is entirely mistaken in its proposition that digital broadcasts pose a greater “piracy threat.” As documented in extensive detail in EFF’s submission to the FCC on this point, there is no credible evidence that digital broadcasts pose a greater threat than analog FM (the content on each is identical by FCC mandate), or cable music services, or any other broadcast source. The quality, the content, the ability to “disaggregate”, and the “capturability” are all effectively the same.

Now the existence of P2P may have increased the risks to copyright owners from all of these broadcast mediums. But there has been no showing that digital radio broadcast is special in this regard.

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By: Tim Wu https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2690#comment-6047 Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:05:02 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/digital_audio_the_copyright_ga.html#comment-6047 Kristin’s point is a good one. Licensing systems and other royalties-systems can be useful frameworks for innovation. They are, in another lingo, liability schemes that make it clear what the costs of opening a copyright-dependent business will be.

However, Kristin, I don’t think that it is a lack of a performance royalty for terrestial analog radio in the US that is holding back digital radio. It is the lack of a clear system for licensing copyrights in general for businesses that need them.

One proposal, from the 1930s, was to eliminate “property remedies” in copyright, to be replaced with liability remedies. It’s a proposal worth reconsidering, as it might force more bargaining. If, for example, the only remedy against Napster were damages, we might be closer to a settlement of the war in online music.

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By: Kristin Thomson https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2690#comment-6046 Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:34:38 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/digital_audio_the_copyright_ga.html#comment-6046 Thanks as always for a provocative post. I’m usually a just a reader but thought I could contribute to this one.

Tim is right that the rollout of DAB is much farther along in Europe, UK and Asia than here in the US, but I’d say this is fundamentally less a copyright issue and more a licensing issue.

As mention in other posts, currently the terrestrial broadcasters in the US do not pay a performance royalty. That means when you here Patsy Cline singing “Crazy” on the AM/FM radio, the songwriter Willie Nelson is paid via ASCAP/BMI, but the performer Patsy is not. But if you hear “Crazy” on XM, Sirius, Music Choice (on cable TV), or on a webcasting station, both Patsy and Willie are paid — Willie by ASCAP/BMI and Patsy by SoundExchange. And to correct what I think Tim was saying in the last sentence of his post, this money is not paid to the RIAA. 45 percent of the SoundExchange royalty goes DIRECTLY to the performer — not filtered through the record label where it might be subject to “creative accounting” or posted against back debts. 50 percent goes to the record label, which may or MAY NOT be an RIAA-member label. (Remember that there are thousands of independent record labels that are also participants in the music industry in the US). The remaining 5 percent goes to back-up performers via a fund administered by AFM/AFTRA.

The terrestrial broadcasters in the US have avoided paying this performance royalty for decades because they have said that the record labels and the performers have benefited from the promotional value of radio airplay, which increases record sales. But in the Europe and UK, there is a performance royalty on terrestrial radio. I assume that this has had an impact on the rollout of DAB since there are fewer issues related to establishing content protection controls since performers, songwriters, labels, and creators can not only benefit from the rollout of a better version of radio that allows for more programming, a better sounding signal but also can see this as a reliable (albiet small) revenue stream.

This has become a copyright control issue in the minds of many because a performance license doesn’t apply to terrestrial broadcasters in the US. So if this DAB rollout could include an effort to harmonize the performance royalty in the US, not only across media forms (webcasting, satellite radio, etc.) but also get the US in line with UK and Europe as far as payments to artists, some of these copyright control/broadcast flag issues might subside, and we’d all be able to benefit from the emergence of DAB.

FMC filed comments and reply comments about the transition to DAB in the FCC proceeding, which are downloadable from this page http://www.futureofmusic.org/news/briefs.cfm .

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By: Raoul https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2690#comment-6045 Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:48:47 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/digital_audio_the_copyright_ga.html#comment-6045 Everyone with an internet connection should be able to webcast a stream of music, of their choice, without ever having to pay anyone anything. I know this thread is dealing with digital broadcasts but with wifi and other technologies we should be able to have webcast broadcasts available everywhere. The world is changing. Evolution at its finest, adapt or face extinction.

The world can have 7 billion radio stations but the old money interest do not want that.

“The issues holding back digital radio right now aren�t copyright related. “

LOL! The reason why we cannot move forward is because the old money has to ensure they get paid. Period. Old money broadcasters and old money copyright holders. Admittedly, with some governmental bureaucracy thrown in. However, such bureaucratic sluggishness is partially to be blamed on the lobbyists.

“RIAA is right, after all, that digital broadcasts do pose a greater piracy threat, especially in a world where peer-to-peer continues to thrive.”

Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. The idea that if one can record a digital song from digital radio will allow one to make that song available on a P2P network is laughable. That song is already available on the P2P networks. I can get on the web right now and download any song I want. The threat to the RIAA is already at 100%. There is no additional threat. Their companies now offer ZERO added value to the equation. Deadmen walking. It’s over. They should just crawl away and die gracefully.

Additionally, the term piracy is again being misused.

United States Code
Title 18. Crimes and Criminal Procedure
Part I. Crimes
Chapter 81. Piracy and Privateering
� 1651. Piracy under law of nations

Whoever, on the high seas, commits the crime of piracy as defined by the law of nations, and is afterwards brought into or found in the United States, shall be imprisoned for life.

The crime of piracy, as defined by the law of nations and the Acts of Congress, consisted of robbery or forcible depredation upon the sea. U.S. v. Chapels, C.C.Va.1819, 25 F.Cas. 399, No. 14782.

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By: Rob https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2690#comment-6044 Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:03:38 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/digital_audio_the_copyright_ga.html#comment-6044 I have yet to be convinced that I should feel any sympathy for the poor benighted music “industry”. At this point I don’t care if they are harmed, go out of business or whatever. The industry has lost sight of its role in the promotion of art and culture and is instead merely concerned with its own profits. It is of no material benefit to society and I will not mourn its passing, if indeed all its prophecies of doom were to actually be realized. Music will still be created and we will still be entertained.

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By: Adina Levin https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2690#comment-6043 Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:04:17 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/digital_audio_the_copyright_ga.html#comment-6043 A blanket license is certainly more straightforward for digital radio, where the license-payers are broadcasting companies, than for individual users of p2p.

A blanket license for filesharing would need to bill millions of individuals, or place a tax on all network users, based on some sort of sampling.

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By: Doug Lichtman https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2690#comment-6042 Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:29:55 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/digital_audio_the_copyright_ga.html#comment-6042 Tim –
This seems a little one-sided, doesn’t it? RIAA is right, after all, that digital broadcasts do pose a greater piracy threat, especially in a world where peer-to-peer continues to thrive. You rightly emphasize that digital radio also delivers a greater payoff: it would be great to have a radio station delivered over the Internet, tailored to my tastes, and so on. But smart policy has to balance these two concerns.

So, yes, it is not the technology that’s the problem; but duh. The problem always comes in figuring out how to account for the harms and benefits of new technologies. To focus only on the benefits is unfair to the music industry which has good reason to worry about the harms as well.

And besides, isn’t a blanket license a great compromise from your perspective? Isn’t that the likely result here, as Fred notes above?

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By: Tim Wu https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2690#comment-6041 Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:14:04 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/digital_audio_the_copyright_ga.html#comment-6041 Thanks Fred. Corrected.

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