Comments on: Hello from Dean for America https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2278 2002-2015 Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:07:03 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: Felix Deutsch https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2278#comment-1885 Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:07:03 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/hello_from_dean_for_america.html#comment-1885 Rob–

The Latino vote is solidly in Bush�s camp because he�s friends with Vicente Fox […]

Oh really, is he?

What about immigration? The row about Iraq? Talk of “punishing” Mexico? Trying to break up Mexico’s nationalized oil business?

Yeah, right.

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By: Alan in Seattle https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2278#comment-1884 Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:58:32 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/hello_from_dean_for_america.html#comment-1884 for the posters wondering about drinking age:

Yes, it is a state law thing not federal, BUT some years back the feds told the states they had to raise the limit to 21 or lose all fed highway funding. I am originally from New Orleans where attitudes about drinking are considerably more liberal than in many other places and I remember when the drinking age was raised (mid–late 80’s) at the feds insistence. Also, any boost in support from 18–21 year olds would (IMHO) be more than offset by the ire and backlash from MADD and other interest groups.

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By: Jay R. Ashworth https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2278#comment-1883 Tue, 15 Jul 2003 02:00:12 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/hello_from_dean_for_america.html#comment-1883 And, unlike some previous candidates, I’m expectin’ the Doc will take his home state. 😉
— j

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By: Jonathan in GA https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2278#comment-1882 Tue, 15 Jul 2003 01:39:36 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/hello_from_dean_for_america.html#comment-1882 Election Strategy

1. Energize base in liberal states (Iowa/Minnesota/Wisconsin, West Cost, New England, New York)

2, Fight HARD in tossup states (Missouri/Illinois/Pennsylvania/Michigan/Florida/

3. Hope to squeak by on a few small states that are tossups (Arizona, New Mexico, etc.)

4. Win the state your VP comes from (hopefully a decently sized, moderate-to-conservative state)

5. Cause enough damage in highly republican states (Texas, Lousiana, etc.) that George Bush has to divert resource.
This one is critical. Al Gore never campaigned in the deep south, and Bush didn’t have to spend a penny here.

Dean can carry his moderate message to poor whites and blacks in rural Georgia. He may not carry the state, but he can win 45%.

That’s all you need to do, Dr. Dean!

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By: Thumb https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2278#comment-1881 Tue, 15 Jul 2003 00:59:55 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/hello_from_dean_for_america.html#comment-1881 Posting on Lessig’s blog is an important campaign move? Maybe to the relatively small number of people who read/post here, but not to the country at large. by Rob

But this is what makes Dean different from normal politicians in the same way that Sam Walton [Wal-Mart] was different from normal shop-keepers: They really do stop and listen to what the people, real people, have to say and not just rely on what a small handful of professional pollsters and public relations consultants think real people think (of course this unpolished edge drives some people nuts but many, many others find refreshing). Like many successful self-made individuals he seems to have an inherent understanding that you must meet/interact/understand your public audience on a micro level to achieve macro success.

So yes, Posting on Lessig’s blog is an important campaign move, just not in a way you’re understanding.

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By: Rob https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2278#comment-1880 Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:28:18 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/hello_from_dean_for_america.html#comment-1880 Sally Pina said:

I bet there are as many pissed off people in Texas as there are in other states across this country. They are just to scared to say anything until they see others speaking out.

I’m not saying Dean will get shut out in Texas. He just has no hope of winning. The Latino vote is solidly in Bush’s camp because he’s friends with Vicente Fox, rural Texans love him ’cause he blew up Afghanistan and Iraq, big business suburbanites love him because he gives them tax cuts…where’s Dean going to pull a majority from?

First you’re going to have to change MY mind about “Dean can’t win in Texas”. Because I don’t believe it can happen.

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By: Sally Pina https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2278#comment-1879 Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:59:21 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/hello_from_dean_for_america.html#comment-1879 Rob – I will admit it won’t be easy for DEAN to win in Texas – I grew up in Houston and I know Texas politics. However, as Alex pointed out, not only were there 2000+ people in Dallas cheering DEAN on, but he has support in Houston and San Antonio, too! I know that for a fact because I have a parent in each of those places and they are avid DEAN supporters. Rather than a negative spin, why not invoke the ‘power of positive thinking’ and do all you can to change people’s minds when you hear, “Dean can’t win in Texas.”? Show them to his web site or hand them a flyer on the issues. The worst they can do is say no, but I bet there are as many pissed off people in Texas as there are in other states across this country. They are just to scared to say anything until they see others speaking out. Show them to Dean’s door – it’s an open one, not closed…

GO DEAN!

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By: polink https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2278#comment-1878 Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:07:38 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/hello_from_dean_for_america.html#comment-1878 Just to avoid confusion with Lessig, I think each guest post should say who its author is.

This is a fine issue to start with. The controversy about certain electronic voting machines, four of which have declared Republicans winning with exactly 18,181 votes, some of which have no paper trail and no auditing process, and none of which are up to government standards for security, will probably also be an issue, as Dean has mentioned it several times.

I do hope he addresses IP law and especially file sharing, however.

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By: Ben Tucker https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2278#comment-1877 Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:55:46 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/hello_from_dean_for_america.html#comment-1877 As a Vermonter I have had lots of experience with Dean and met him many times. He’s a good guy with good ideas and I really think of all the candidates he has the best chance at beating bush. The funny thing is when Dean was Govenor here he was considered a conservative democrat (shows where VT politics are in relation to the rest of the country).

It should also be noted (haven’t really seen a lot of this in the national press yet), that Dean’s last budget (2002 fiscal year) left the state with a $10.4 million surplus which is pretty impresive I think.

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By: Joe Buck https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2278#comment-1876 Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:22:43 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/hello_from_dean_for_america.html#comment-1876 The reason you’ll know that it is Dean is that his staff promised that it would be him repeatedly, and that if they then lie, it would leak, causing severe damage to the campaign for no reason.

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