Comments on: out of touch? https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2779 2002-2015 Fri, 15 Oct 2004 00:53:48 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: Nancy https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2779#comment-7418 Fri, 15 Oct 2004 00:53:48 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/10/out_of_touch.html#comment-7418 Well now.. the man does have a bad heart. It could be that a temporary lack of blood flowing to the brain caused a random memory loss… or it could be that he was just flat out lying.
His boss got away with it in the other debate, so he figured he could do it too.
I never thought politics could stoop so low. It’s pathetic. The Republicans have told so many lies, they don’t even remember what the truth is anymore!

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By: Max Lybbert https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2779#comment-7417 Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:07:14 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/10/out_of_touch.html#comment-7417

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It’s been quite a while, and I would never have thought of it myself, but Slate’s NPR program (Day to Day) answered this today when the political commentator said that Edwards wouldn’t want to admit to being nothing memorable.

Along these lines:

“I never met you until today.”

“We’ve met, don’t you remember?”

“No. Did you do something special?”

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By: Tommy https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2779#comment-7416 Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:12:48 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/10/out_of_touch.html#comment-7416 Senator Kerry when asked what prompted his statement “I voted for the 87 billion before I voted against it” replied that he was tired from campaigning, that he misspoke and that he made that statement late at night. That’s a fine explanation, except for the fact that he made that statement right in the middle of the day. That Kerry (the PRESIDENTIAL hopeful) would lie/misspeak about the 87 billion statement is just as relevant (or “astonishing” as Mr. Lessig wrote) as Cheney’s statement. While its fine to question Cheney at lest be fair and recognize the distortions from both sides.

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By: Ed https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2779#comment-7415 Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:06:15 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/10/out_of_touch.html#comment-7415 Sure, it was a deliberate lie and probably planned ahead of time. I don’t think that sharing a stage with someone two years ago really counts as meeting someone (politicians get placed next to people they don’t know many times a week).

But why is no one mentioning that Sen. Edwards didn’t think they met either? (Or he would have said, “Uh… we have met – remember….”) But he didn’t say that until the next day.

So sure, it’s a lie – but the point was probably more important than this particular lie – which has to be pretty low down on the list of dishonest stuff to talk about.

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By: Max Lybbert https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2779#comment-7414 Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:58:04 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/10/out_of_touch.html#comment-7414 I’ll take these feature requests under advisement.

I agree that I can be more lighthearted. However, I’ve had that go bad in the past because of the trouble with talking over the web. I can’t think of any examples right now, but I have had trouble with the word “cracker” (for computer criminal) when some people thought I was being racist, and others thought I was referring to food.

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By: Brentmeister General https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2779#comment-7413 Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:11:13 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/10/out_of_touch.html#comment-7413 i have 2 feature requests:

1. i would like responses to be informed by the privatization of policy making having rendered the rhetoric of both parties irrelevant. criticism shouldn’t be leveled at political puppets but corporate masters.

2. replies should be lighthearted and humorous as public political discussions always border on the absurd. for instance: “politics should be like nascar. candidates should be made to wear the logos of their corporate sponsors.”

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By: Max Lybbert https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2779#comment-7412 Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:50:58 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/10/out_of_touch.html#comment-7412 (I can’t believe I overlooked this)

Brent, which features would you like to see in version 2.0?

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By: Max Lybbert https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2779#comment-7411 Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:53:33 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/10/out_of_touch.html#comment-7411 Brentmeister, my comments aren’t meant to be knee-jerk reactions. I mainly want people to consider the foundations for their support of, or opposition to, particular people, policies, or laws. In other words, “You know how you want to save the world; how you want to put all the big bad meanies away forever; how you want to make the birds chirpier, the sun shinier, the breeze breezier � well, I want to be the guy trying to stop you!

I think that a little opposition sharpens people’s minds, and leads to better policy. Some day I’ll get tired of this and move on. For now, I think forums are more interesting when at least some posts have actual substance. Wasn’t one of the 9/11 Ciommission’s findings that “groupthink” led to a lot of bad things (not to mention sitting around in a room feeling all gushy that everybody else agreed with you)?

Besides, some of the liberal posters here have made me rethink my own positions, and have presented evidence and news that I haven’t yet figured out how to rebut.

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By: DannyB https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2779#comment-7410 Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:54:29 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/10/out_of_touch.html#comment-7410 Most insidious is that, like the Dan Rather issue where days were spent debating the source of secondary documents instead of the issue of personal accountability in the military (and other issues), the country spends its time debating and researching times that Cheney met Edwards. Who really cares?

The result is that Cheney is either negligently forgetful, or (more likely) willing to tell falsehoods to make a point. We can see clearer evidence as Chush-Beney misrepresents the recent CIA report: they are saying that it proves the opposite of what 98% of everyone else understands it to mean – completely distorting it.

Statements to this effect should be made now, and plainly, while people can still clearly see the falsehoods. Dems should proclaim “this misrepresentation of reality has been going on for 4 years, and if they get re-elected it will continue to happen.”

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By: Anonymous https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2779#comment-7409 Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:05:57 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/10/out_of_touch.html#comment-7409 it was a joke. he was undercutting edwards. it worked.

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