Comments on: Stewart: not kidnapped yet https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2798 2002-2015 Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:36:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: J.B. Nicholson-Owens https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2798#comment-7571 Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:36:52 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/10/stewart_not_kidnapped_yet.html#comment-7571 My apology — I meant to say “always fail to persuade” not “never fail to persuade”.

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By: J.B. Nicholson-Owens https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2798#comment-7570 Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:35:19 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/10/stewart_not_kidnapped_yet.html#comment-7570 If you want to read genuinely interesting analysis on Charlie Rose (a rarity), read the transcript of Amy Goodman’s appearance on his show from March 12, 2003. It was her first time on Rose’s show and I’m guessing it will be her last because she told it like it is, explaining how the corporate media helped bring the public to support an invasion and occupation based on lies.

You’ll find Rose falling back on tropes that never fail to persuade thinking people:

  • reducing a system of passing on misinformation and lack of examination down to one person (the “bad apple” defense used recently with all the corporate crime going on–drawing focus away from the system and toward an individual who can be ceremoniously fired and replaced if need be)
  • how Rose’s bosses at CBS or Viacom (CBS’ owner) don’t tell him what to say. NBC and ABC newsreaders say the same thing and it rings hollow because every employee knows who writes their paycheck. Employees know what their bosses don’t want the public to hear or see, so they know that if they spill the beans they lose their job. Being independent means having nobody but the listeners to report to, in both senses of the word. Fox is the exception here, they apparently do tell their newsreaders what to say. But I find it hard to believe this is par for the course because there’s no real need for that close scrutiny.
  • Agreeing with the idea of opening up a forum for the full diversity of voices in the public to be heard, knowing full well he hasn’t the authority nor the genuine desire to see that occur. If it were to happen at the network, and people saw critical analysis of those in power, he might lose his job. The last thing those in a position of power want is competition.

Forget Jon Stewart on Crossfire getting steamed and calling some guy a “dickhead”. If you want well-informed, articulate, and potent descriptions of what’s wrong with the media and how corporate influence hurts our ability to stay informed, read this interview.

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By: elf https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2798#comment-7569 Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:36:40 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/10/stewart_not_kidnapped_yet.html#comment-7569 John Stewart is the only real American journalist out there. He can actually think, form his own opinions and speak up his mind, imagine that on American TV?!!

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By: John https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2798#comment-7568 Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:39:22 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/10/stewart_not_kidnapped_yet.html#comment-7568 I’m a bit surprised by the descriptions of Jon Stewart’s commentary as “insightful” and “intellectual.” Shows like Crossfire and Bill O’Reilly are theatre masquerading as serious public discourse? Really, Jon, do go on! Corporatized media are failing to fulfill their role in our democracy? Remarkable! (Yawn).

The irony here is that Stewart uses the same hackneyed rhetoric as the pundits he so gleefully criticizes (calling them “partisan hacks” does not do a lot to elucidate the underlying issues Stewart would have you believe he understands) but he’s allowed to abdicate or, rather, disclaim any responsibility to engage in meaningful discussion of the issues because his show (which, by the way, I think is hysterical) is followed by prank-calling puppets.

I agree with Carlson that Stewart’s lectures are “boring” even if they do at important issues. And they’re certainly no more substantive than those delivered by the objects of his comedic ire in the mainstream media or, for that matter, the floors of Congress.

Keep telling jokes, Jon. But please don’t be so presumptuous as to take up the mantle of mainstream media’s watchdog when you’re parasitic of their shortcomings.

P.S. I agree wholeheartedly with the person who compared Stewart with Chomsky. Perhaps Stewart is even more insidious?

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By: Ron Levy https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2798#comment-7567 Wed, 20 Oct 2004 02:24:23 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/10/stewart_not_kidnapped_yet.html#comment-7567 This move by Jon Stewart came just as we were launching a website attempting to improve the quality of political discourse. We set out a system for analyzing the logic and substance of candidate speech. It’s the Project on Quality in Election Discourse at http://www.projectqed.org

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By: Tayssir John Gabbour https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2798#comment-7566 Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:57:26 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/10/stewart_not_kidnapped_yet.html#comment-7566 The problem is that Jon might’ve made a point more forcefully: there is a narrow spectrum in which people are allowed to express themselves in any mainstream media. Within that spectrum, discourse can be very vociferous and attacking, which gives the impression that there’s actual debate. But only if you stay within bounds; otherwise you’re marginalized.

I would have liked to “consume” their product, but it’s low quality.

If you’d like something more substantive though, here’s Jon Stewart on the Charlie Rose show. [realaudio. ugh] Where he is given space to explore the issue further.

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By: Permanent4 https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2798#comment-7565 Tue, 19 Oct 2004 02:35:27 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/10/stewart_not_kidnapped_yet.html#comment-7565 “i see issue avoidence and personal attack are alive and well even here :(“

You get what you give.

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By: Anonymous https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2798#comment-7564 Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:20:02 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/10/stewart_not_kidnapped_yet.html#comment-7564 raoul wrote:

Are you Tony Blair? Geez, if it is, wow, for someone so articulate and seemingly so bright you sure �jumped the shark� on the Iraq war business, didn�t you?

followed up by Mojo:

It�s not your fault that you don�t have a sense of humor. Plus it�s hard to understand such things when your first language isn�t En
glish.

i see issue avoidence and personal attack are alive and well even here 🙁

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By: matt perkins https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2798#comment-7563 Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:15:27 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/10/stewart_not_kidnapped_yet.html#comment-7563 Higher-resolution stream located here.

(Very ad-supported site; don’t forget to use the >| button to skip the pre-video commercial.)

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By: LuYu https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2798#comment-7562 Mon, 18 Oct 2004 04:30:33 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/10/stewart_not_kidnapped_yet.html#comment-7562 I have to agree with the more critical posts of John Stewart’s performance. While I agree with what he said to the hosts of the show and am deeply impressed by his bravery, I was disappoined to find his attacks crippled by his partisanship. If he is going to talk about that show being theater, why does he not realize that anything involving the democrats, the republicans, or both is pure theater. The fact is: In a duopoly, your choice has already been made for you.

So, the theater is the media telling you what your choices are and setting up a system where people will argue black and white over irrelevant issues. This stops people from realizing they have no choice. Eventually, one of the approved candidates will win, and We the People will have more of the same. But I suppose that is entertaining TV.

PS: Before you (whoever you are) post the inevitable argument that Clinton was somehow a Saint, please think about how much you like the DMCA, the CTEA, showing ID at the airport (yes, this first happened under Clinton), and tax law that allowed some of the biggest corporations to be paid dividends by the IRS in the last few years.

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