Comments on: On the Farm League for K Street that Congress Is https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3736 2002-2015 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:35:18 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: Kathy https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3736#comment-27844 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:35:18 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/02/on_the_farm_league_for_k_stree.html#comment-27844 On Tuesday, I wrote about my concern that the media focus was on the tax issue, not the potential corruption issue. I’ve been playing Don Quixote on money and politics for a long time. So I was intrigued by this statement.

You wrote: “Daschle, of course, is the most innocent in this guilty system.”

How do you know this? There is no evidence for the assertion in this post and, in fact, there is counter-evidence: the fact that the voters of S.D. kicked him out of office. Also, Daschle had known for six months that he owed back taxes (according to media reports) — and yet he chose not to pay them until his nomination was in the hopper. This behavior suggests something other than innocence.

I do not think it is humanly possible to take $2 million from a lobbying firm over the course of two years and then be able to be “unbiased” in a new job where those very same people want access. Not Humanly Possible.

I agree with you that public financing of elections is an idea whose time is long overdue. I am not convinced, however, that it will solve the Golden Revolving Door problem. Daschle is not running for office — so his ride through the money circuit is not for advertising dollars and consultants, it’s for his own pocket.

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By: anon https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3736#comment-27843 Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:11:00 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/02/on_the_farm_league_for_k_stree.html#comment-27843 Rick. I agree with you. I agree with Prof. Lessig. Sen. Daschle is probably one of the good guys. the question is whether Lessig is proposing a standards based or rule base approach to corruption. It’s hard to create a “teaching moment” when you adopt an approach that says that since Daschle is generally good and particularly qualified we’ll overlook the “corrupt” action of not paying taxes owed. I question whether Prof. Lessig can be the leader of an anti-corruption movement while adopting a case-by-case approach to determining who is corrupt.

I also believe that grammatically, systems are not corrupt, people are. So I completely reject the good guy caught in corrupt system argument, otherwise known as nazi defense (acknowledging that here I invoke godwin’s law). If Prof Lessig is really describing the “corruption” problem as poor “innocent” senators caught in a corrupt system they are a victim of, “requiring” the intervention of outsiders to fix it, and absolved of the personal responsibility owed to their constituents, then I wish he’d at least quote me a federalist paper or a reading from Locke that would help me understand what political theory of responsibility he is working from!

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By: Rick https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3736#comment-27842 Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:58:26 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/02/on_the_farm_league_for_k_stree.html#comment-27842 Hmmmm…
Perhaps Lessig was a bit clumsy here but I don’t think he lacks a grasp of the situation. He was simply trying to put in a plug for a guy who is (and I agree) probably one of the “good guys” in the whole messy Washington power struggle. Let’s recall that Daschle was one of the few to have the guts to openly oppose the Bush administration’s policies at a time (2004 and before) when it was not politically wise. He paid for it with his 2004 loss in which the national Republican party pounded him with big-money and big-name support for Thune. Still, it was a close election.
Perhaps Lessig’s lament is that in the Washington we have known it is difficult for a good guy to get anything done. It’s a dirty, nasty game in which the corrupt prefer to do business with the corrupt and alienate those who are not; political entrapment in it’s most insidious form.
Daschle screwed up. Whether from maliciousness or ignorance, it doesn’t matter at this point. It was stupid and he knows it. He loses. Maybe in losing his expertise in a capacity for which he was imminently qualified, we all lose. I think Lessig grasps that full well.

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By: derek https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3736#comment-27841 Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:53:30 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/02/on_the_farm_league_for_k_stree.html#comment-27841 @Terry
A ‘schmuck’ is a penis or a detestable person. Not a good fit here (Daschle himself, perhaps, for thinking that he could come back).

I think ‘schlemiel’ is a better fit for what this post reveals about Professor Lessig. If you want to go with the penis overtones, then ‘putz’ would be OK too.

Even so, the bigger point is that the system is the problem. But Prof Lessig’s usefulness in advocating for changes to that system is deeply undercut by what he reveals about his grasp of it here.

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By: Terry https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3736#comment-27840 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 17:59:42 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/02/on_the_farm_league_for_k_stree.html#comment-27840 “Daschle, of course, is the most innocent in this guilty system.”

You’re a self delusional pathetic asshole. Daschle’s wife is a lobbist and was a lobbist when Daschle was senate majority leader.
You seriously need your head checked because you’re a real schmuck.

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By: Rick https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3736#comment-27839 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 15:09:28 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/02/on_the_farm_league_for_k_stree.html#comment-27839 Daschle withdraws as nominee. Good move.
Unfortunate but necessary to keep this administration on track philosophically. But “most innocent” works just like “least guilty” in the court of public opinion or, perhaps more importantly, with a Republican cadre that seems intent upon entrenching itself in holier-than-thou conservatism. Daschle becomes a martyr who allows Obama to retain the high ground.
Progressives should make the Daschle example become the benchmark by which others in Congress must measure up.

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By: purple https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3736#comment-27838 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:17:48 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/02/on_the_farm_league_for_k_stree.html#comment-27838 As someone who is self-employed, and does his own taxes, I’m not to sympathetic. Geithner and Daschle were either lazy, stupid, or lying. Two confirmed tax-cheat on the cabinet is not good.

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By: anon https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3736#comment-27837 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:55:15 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/02/on_the_farm_league_for_k_stree.html#comment-27837 Professor Lessig, i really hope you use your time at harvard to come up with some solid and coherent academic theory that governs your commentary on these matters because your man on the street approach to the postings like this on your blog do not serve the cause you promote yourself as a spokesman for. He didn’t know that a “gift” of a car service needed to be reported as income? Get real! I thought the idea was that we are all so corrupt in our own lives that we become willing to accept it in our leaders. How do you stop that cycle when we’re urged to accept corruption in public servants just because they are qualified for the job they are asked to do? Allowing Daschle his public mea culpa and then to go on with business as usual seems to be exactly the kind of thing you were supposed to be against and this Administration was supposed to be against.

If you are willing to accept the idea of “good souls in a bad system” then what incentive are you offering for people to change the system? Are you ever going to draw *any* line in the sand????

This is all just very disappointing…

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By: Chris https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3736#comment-27836 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:59:38 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/02/on_the_farm_league_for_k_stree.html#comment-27836 Prof. Lessig,

This sounds like a great opportunity for the Change Congress and maybe the Sunlight Network. Since tax returns are often published by politicians, could your movement host rollups of that data? It would become more apparent where the sources of income are so that citizens could better judge conflicts of interests. If folks could add notes as to where they had seen a politician accept a junket/gift/etc. it would also help folks like Dachle avoid forgetting about taxes.

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By: Carl https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3736#comment-27835 Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:48:54 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/02/on_the_farm_league_for_k_stree.html#comment-27835 “Daschle, of course, is the most innocent in this guilty system.”

I must admit I was struck speechless after reading this.

First it was the offhanded “of course” thrown in there, a tact often use when no legitimate argument is available. But of course he is an innocent and upstanding individual and the proof is left as an exercise for the reader! Does the “of course” really add anything substantial to your argument, beyond assuring me that you think it is obvious? I’d suggest you respect your readership and present the references or arguments that make you believe this.

Next, a corrupt politician takes advantage of the corrupt system to earn millions and he is described as “the most innocent in this guilty system”? Don’t get me wrong, the system is certainly culpable and I could believe that his corruption is a symptom rather than a cause if you were to make such an argument. But it almost comes across as if you are suggesting that he is an injured party in this situation, taken advantage of by the cruel forces of K Street. Or, perhaps you meant that Daschle and the system are both black as sin, but if you hold them up in the sun you’ll notice he’s a few shades lighter. Whatever the actual argument, you may want to clarify it. Quickly.

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