Comments on: Barack Obama https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2654 2002-2015 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:03:51 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: Emily https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2654#comment-5317 Wed, 11 Jun 2008 07:03:51 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/07/barack_obama.html#comment-5317 Obama is being tricked. He will take the fall for the failing economy…. It is all orchestrated by the Republican party. If he wins, you are only guaranteeing the election for a republican in 2012.

Let the Republicans take the fall for what Bush has done. Vote for McCain.

Think about it….

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By: david https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2654#comment-5316 Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:07:45 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/07/barack_obama.html#comment-5316 I AM WORIE AND SAD ABOUT THIS GREAT COUNTRY ( USA), BECAUSE IT IS BECOMING TOTALY IMMORAL AND SPIRITUAL DEATH. PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR BARACK OBAMA TO BE THE ANSWER AND THEIR SAVOR, IT IS GOD FIRST IN OUR LIFES AND IT IS UP TO EACH OF US, EVERY IN DIVIDUAL THAT CAN MAKE THIS COUNTRY THE GREATES IN THE WORL, THE FREE COUNTRY, THE JUSTICE COUNTRY AND I WILL TAKE MY CHANCE WITH MACAIN AS PRESIDENT HE IS WISER THAN OBAMA, PEOPLE FORGET THAT THE FOUNDERS WERE OLDER AND WISER AND EXPERIENCE, I SEE MACAIN LIKE THAT, AND I DON’T KNOW WHY BARACK DOEN’T CHANGE HIS MUSLIM NAME.

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By: Anonymous https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2654#comment-5315 Thu, 02 Sep 2004 02:44:51 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/07/barack_obama.html#comment-5315 I don’t know what Barack Obama plans to do in the U.S. Senate. (Expectably) his campaign web site is all political fluff. I tried to find out his position at “Project Vote Smart” but the site says he has repeatedly refused to respond to their requests for information.

http://www.vote-smart.org/npat.php?can_id=BS030017

Most everybody on this list says he’s such a neat guy. Maybe.
But what is it he plans to do once he’s got senatorial power? As I understand it, Keyes’s purpose is to smoke out his plans. The Illinois debates should be interesting. Has anybody seen a site where he is REALLY showing his issue positions?

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By: Ray https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2654#comment-5314 Wed, 01 Sep 2004 16:58:56 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/07/barack_obama.html#comment-5314 Responses to comments by different folks:

Let me just say one thing to all those who are knit-picking at Kerry and Obama: Are you doing better now than you were when Clinton was in office? Pick Bush. Have things not changed or gotten worse for you than since Bush took office? Pick Kerry.

Too simplistic. Remember, the majority of effects you see now, are the results of decisions Congress and/or The White House made years ago. Add to that the fact that much of the praises/curses given to one party simply because they were in the Oval Office at a particular time really should be levied on the party that controlled Congress back when the decisions were actually made.

In response to your post, James, let me point out that there are no Libertarians in the Senate or House, and that Libertarian candidates in general barely register on the polling radar.

Here you’re ignoring a couple of facts: Libertarians cast over 1/2-million votes in Illinois during the last presidential ellection and there are over 600 Libertarian party members in public office. That’s much larger than any other “third party”. So the Libertarians aren’t as small as most Republocrats like to pretend.

You’re also forgetting that the federal government gave the DNC $40 million for their Convention and the media covered it at their expense (i.e. free advertising under the guise of news). The same is in the process of happenning for the RNC. Federal and State governments give money to the big two parties and candidates. State laws make it very difficult (and expensive) for non-Republocrat parties to get their candidates on the ballot. All of this leads to less time and $’s for advertising, evangelizing, so fewer people get the message, so fewer people vote non-Republocrat.

This is made even worse by the fools that waste their vote by not voting for the candidate they really want. If everybody I spoke to that preferred a Third Party candidate actually voted for them, the Third Party numbers would be much closer to being “viable”. Voting for “the lesser of two evils” is a double disservice. First, it adds to the delusion that the winner’s views are strongly supported (or that the loser’s views aren’t less appealing than they appear) and, second, given that (with the exception of the recent Florida vote) the closest state tallies have one candidate winning by tens of thousands of votes. So, if you voted for the losing lesser of two evils, your vote was definitely wasted and if you voted for the winning lesser of two evils then your vote was lost among the overkill. It’s a disgusting negative feedback cycle that unfortunately won’t change until Americans get disgusted enough, or actually work-up the intellectual courage to vote their conscious. There’s also a third group, that don’t want to waste their vote by voting for “The Loser”. That’s so moronic that just mentioning it is enough.

Now add in the incredibly low percentage of eligible voters that are actually registered and the incredibly low percentage of registered voters that actually vote. Give the embarrassingly small percentage of eligible voters that actually vote, there’s no way that you can say that the low number of votes for non-Republocrat candidates is any indication of the political leanings of the US population.

A very informal poll of everybody that I’ve encountered that doesn’t vote showed that essentially 100% didn’t vote because they felt it really didn’t make a difference. Both of the big two parties are concerned with making government bigger, consuming more of their income through taxes, using the government to force their views on everybody else, lie every time they’re speaking, squash small busineses, etc. One thing that really surprised me was the number of people that understood that corporate taxes are really personal taxes because they lead to lower wages and higher prices. If you just listen to the media, nobody understands that.

Anybody that manages to get on the ballots should be allowed to debate the other candidates, especially considering that Illinois is one of (if not THE) states with the most restrictive non-Republocrat ballot laws. The Republocrats should not be allowed to ignore and actively suppress Third Party candidates. I’m a firm believer that the poor voter turn-outs are due the candidates always being essentially the same warmed-over glop.

I wonder whether those of you who see no difference between the major political parties have been paying attention. The differences are vast

To what’s important to you, I guess so. But to a large number of people, both flavors of Republocrat are all about bigger government, more government intrusion, protecting their select favorite civil rights and ignoring the rest, saying they’re trying to help but only make the situation worse because the best and the brightest aren’t making intelligent decisions (the elected and politically connected appointed are making political decisions), etc..

During the Clinton era, they suppressed 4th Amendment rights in a misguided attempt to reduce crime in government housing. The Bush Administration has suppressed 4th Amendment rights in a misguided attempt to reduce terrorism. Both parties get us involved in wars protecting their buddies, but ignoring worse situations. Both parties have had us hypocritically supporting “The Good Guys” in one conflict, only to support, in a different conflict, the people that would have been labeled “The Bad Guys” in the previous one.

Believe it or not, to non-Republocrats, there isn’t a huge difference. Some say the difference is like the difference between cream of wheat and grits. Others say the difference is like the difference between cutting off every other finger starting from the right or starting from the left.

If what’s important to you is true freedom, getting back to the powers granted to the government in the Constitution and not those that they’ve usurped, government not trying to force their beliefs upon you, protecting ALL of your civil rights, etc. then there isn’t a whole lot of difference between the two parties.

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By: Paul https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2654#comment-5313 Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:30:26 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/07/barack_obama.html#comment-5313 I missed barack obamas’ speech at the Dem convention, just seeing short outtakes on the news. What I saw was a very impressive guy, a towering presence. I’ve read his speech online, and what I found most impressive is his call to americans, not to be divided, and to be your brothers keeper. This guy has to capability to reawaken america to its’ true ideals. I say this as a non american, dismayed by the attempts of the neo cons to whip up fear and divide people so as to achieve their selfish and imperialist ends. Just as a PS, I agree with the above comments on universal health care. If I were an american, a citizen of the richest country, I would feel ashamed that a small country like Ireland, not as wealthy as the US and certainly not a “COMMIE” country, can offer universal health care to all of its’ people. Americans need someone to challenge their pride.

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By: Anonymous https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2654#comment-5312 Tue, 17 Aug 2004 19:35:16 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/07/barack_obama.html#comment-5312 To the last anonymous poster – Barack Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law, and headed the Harvard Law Review. With those credentials, he had his pick of prestigious law firms and probably could have been making $200,000 a year fresh out of school, and would have been on the fast track to partnership, where one can make millions.

Instead, he chose to help inner-city Chicago as a civil-rights lawyer. Ignore his speech – research what he’s done. This guy’s the real deal, and you’re lucky if you end up having him represent you.

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By: Anonymous https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2654#comment-5311 Mon, 16 Aug 2004 03:31:20 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/07/barack_obama.html#comment-5311 Obama is a sure thing because he’s a lawyer. Illinois is a state where trial lawyers run the show. It’s a place where Daley (a lawyer) names an honorary street after one of the nation’s most profitable trial lawyers (Corboy). It’s a state where Senator Durbin (a lawyer) supports tort reform by proposing a tax credit for the costs of lawyer-caused malpractice scams! (Nothing like getting taxpayers to shoulder buddy Corboy’s fees!) I pretty much hate this state that’s been my home for many years because of these shysters. You have been taken in by silvery tongues; I’m not.

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By: Anonymous https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2654#comment-5310 Wed, 04 Aug 2004 23:40:39 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/07/barack_obama.html#comment-5310 Brilliant Jules and Nick, just brilliant. Nick, I don’t think anyone could have said it better. Bravo!

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By: Jules https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2654#comment-5309 Wed, 04 Aug 2004 20:53:30 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/07/barack_obama.html#comment-5309 Well said, Nick. As an Australian/American citizen (ie. dual citizenship) who incidently also loves Canada, I agree with many of your points. In Australia we have a Private/Public system of Health Coverage in which every citizen is covered medically as a right, and those who chose to are able to receive Private Insurance similar to the Education system here. As a child in Australia, I always used our public medical system and it was great! I think it particularly admirable that John Edwards (I think) in his Convention speech directly noted the fact that the US is the only Western country without Universal Health Coverage, and that it can and should be changed.

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By: James https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2654#comment-5308 Wed, 04 Aug 2004 12:53:21 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/07/barack_obama.html#comment-5308 Hi, Nick.

Thanks for your answer, I’m sure it is on the money. It saddens me, though, that the mainstream voters (both conservative and liberal) have moved so far away from the from the U.S. Constitution. Our founding fathers wouldn’t even recognize the America we live in now.

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