Comments on: Reviving the “CARE Package”? https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3294 2002-2015 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:48:30 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: Joy Wandrey https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3294#comment-15125 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 12:48:30 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/reviving_the_care_package.html#comment-15125 I believe you have missed a large-ish segment of the population. I am a knitter, spinner and weaver, and these “care” projects are alive and well in these communities. A short search will yield many projects such as the Dulaan project, where warm articles of handmade clothing and accessories are sent by ordinary americans to a people in need. Many of us also send to soldiers, and send items specifically for the soldiers to hand out to the people in need. The care package is far from dead, do a quick search and you will find many projects out there to support anything you want, from the iraqi children needing school supplies to american indian elders needing warm clothes and food.

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By: jh https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3294#comment-15124 Thu, 30 Nov 2006 02:42:56 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/reviving_the_care_package.html#comment-15124 a friend of mine Tom who I told about this thread suggested that our care package should be good policy from our governments.
certainly in the long run its a more fundamental commitment to peace, not just for iraqis but for many of our partner countries and also domestically for ourselves. perhaps a care package that included a letter explaining that commitment might be a bit of the best of both worlds.

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By: Dima https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3294#comment-15123 Thu, 30 Nov 2006 02:06:15 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/reviving_the_care_package.html#comment-15123 Well, I have to say that “YES” it would be nice if we all decided to contribute and help Iraq using food packages. But, us helping them and the government will keep on fighting Iraq, the package sending idea would be constant, my point is that its nice to receive a package, but how many people actually right would want to spend time sending one?

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By: Juergen Fenn https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3294#comment-15122 Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:28:32 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/reviving_the_care_package.html#comment-15122 My mother received a CARE package after Wordl War II. She was 16 when the war was over.

It is true, it was a quite impressive gesture to Germans after the war to receive such a package from ordinary Americans because Germans were afraid of the occupying allied forces that had destroyed almost all housing in the cities and people were rather afraid of all the invading soldiers, although it were mostly the Russians who were really aggressive towards ordinary German citizens in the Eastern part of Germany they had occupied. Millions of German soldiers were in captivity then. The last ones kept in Russia were released only about ten years after the war. So the cruelty and the horror Germany had brought to the world had finally returned home and hit the Germans back there. Most people had absolutely nothing left, then.

I’m not quite sure whether you can compare this situation with what we find in Iraq today. I think Iraq is much better off as far as food supply is concerned than Germany was then. The culture is quite different too from what we find in Europe and America. This division will remain whatever Americans would do for the Iraqi people.

I’m afraid the CARE package wouldn’t work today because after World War II there were still many family links between the US and Germany that lay the groundwork for the whole idea. A lot of Germans had emigrated to America, either a long time ago, or before and during the war due to Nazi persecution. There were a lot of Germans (compared to Americans of German decent) living in America at the time. So the Americans taking part in the program knew who they were sending their CARE package to from their own experience.

Of course, the CARE program was supported by the Marshall plan investing really a lot of money into restructuring the German economy. And Germans were not fighting their infrastructure being re-built.

No reason, though, not to think about it…

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By: Wes https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3294#comment-15121 Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:37:30 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/reviving_the_care_package.html#comment-15121 I agree that one of the fundamental problems with the occupation of Iraq is the anger the Iraqi people feel toward the USA. Despite the claims of the Bush administration that Iar is a “democracy”, Bush has the ultimate authority in Iraq. Although, it may play well with people in the USA, Bush is sitting back and telling the Iraqis to solve their own problems. In a sense, Bush is the worst kind of dictator, he has absolute control over the Iraq (no one has the ability to force him from power) but he refuses to use this power to solve the problems in Iraq.

It is worth noting that there is a key difference between the situation in Iraq and the situations in Germany and Japan after WWII. As soon as Japan and Germany went to war with the rest of the world, it was inevitable that they would be defeated and occupied. The only question was who would be doing the occupation. Germany had a choice between being occupied by the Soviet Union or the USA and Japan had a choice between being occupied by China or the USA. Germany and Japan had actually invaded the Soviet Union and China, respectively, and they had killed millions of people in those countries and caused massive destruction. The choice was whether to be occupied by a country that was very angry and wanted rettribution or whether to be occupied by a country that was more interested in long term stability. Given this choice, a desire in Germany and Japan to be occupied by the USA and to cooperate with the USA is not really surprising.

In the case of Iraq, the choice was not which country would occupy Iraq, the choice was whether Iraq would be occupied at all. Given this choice, it is not really surprising that people in Iraq resent the occupation and are very angry with the USA.

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By: jh https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3294#comment-15120 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:39:18 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/reviving_the_care_package.html#comment-15120 I fully agree with how you feel. I feel the same way about my government which is equally complicit. However if care packages is the best we can do it is basically a gesture of apology for not having a democracy but actually being a signatory to entity which is corrupt and destructive and unaccountable because we can’t figure out how to make it accountable. I feel that we are accountable for the impact of our actions on others. in a democracy we are accountable for the impact of our governments on others. If a care package is a way for us to feel better about the actions of our government then it feels to me more like a way of avoiding responsibility for the war than something of positive meaning for people in Iraq.
ie its using the blanket as a shroud.

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By: BostonBookEd https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3294#comment-15119 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:24:46 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/reviving_the_care_package.html#comment-15119 There is a deeper, underlying sentiment here that is about accountability. As the world becomes smaller, as people say, there is less accountability. So as American troops march in arrogantly to a country chosen by leaders due to economic interests, not because of the oppressive regime (no one’s heading to Zimbabwe with such speed), American people are watching and are horrified and are feeling helpless. That’s our children going over, 18 – 20 years old and merely following orders. That’s our tax dollars being wasted as corporate coffers grow. That’s our reputation getting ruined globally. The CARE package may be ineffectual for the reasons people suggest, but what are we to do locally to counter our government’s ill-advised actions globally??

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By: Janet Hawtin https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3294#comment-15118 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:06:47 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/reviving_the_care_package.html#comment-15118 Which takes us back to Seth’s post where it is about what those care packages mean. If they are an extension of the packages sent to soldiers occupying the country then they are a part of the act of occupying. Blankets and beads in exchange for sovereignty.

If they are part of a structural change in policy to focus on empowering local people and to provide resources for Iraq to rebuild then that is something different.

Unfortunately often even the reconstruction phases of these wars are structured so that they generate crippling debt for the recipient, making the nation dependent. ie a Larger scale version of beads and blankets for sovereignty.

Check out Perkins, Confessions of an economic hitman.
While it is a bit strong on conspiracy I think that the underlying patterns will be familiar.

Perkins writes that his economic projections cooked the books Enron-style to convince foreign governments to accept billions of dollars of loans from the World Bank and other institutions to build dams, airports, electric grids, and other infrastructure he knew they couldn’t afford. The loans were given on condition that construction and engineering contracts went to U.S. companies. Often, the money would simply be transferred from one bank account in Washington, D.C., to another one in New York or San Francisco. The deals were smoothed over with bribes for foreign officials, but it was the taxpayers in the foreign countries who had to pay back the loans. When their governments couldn’t do so, as was often the case, the U.S. or its henchmen at the World Bank or International Monetary Fund would step in and essentially place the country in trusteeship, dictating everything from its spending budget to security agreements and even its United Nations votes. It was, Perkins writes, a clever way for the U.S. to expand its “empire” at the expense of Third World citizens. While at times he seems a little overly focused on conspiracies, perhaps that’s not surprising considering the life he’s led. –Alex Roslin

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By: michael d. morrison https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3294#comment-15117 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:27:29 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/reviving_the_care_package.html#comment-15117 at present, care packages are being sent to the troops in iraq & afghanistan. grocery stores and the like even mark and highlight some of the best products to send overseas. when i was in vietnam 40 years ago, those packages were very much appreciated by all, especially troops in the field.

however, is there some way that we as americans can expand this giving in some proper way to both the iraqi & afghani people. are there legitimate charities that we may donate cash to so that they may forward local specific foodstuffs to any and all that need it in these countries?
occupation of a country is one thing, but feeding people what they prefer to eat may lessen the negative feelings about americans that persist. medcaps by the military are always crowded by those in need, so those would be a likely venue for foodstuffs. any ideas, dear hearts and gentle people?

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By: kcoyle https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3294#comment-15116 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:00:44 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/reviving_the_care_package.html#comment-15116 Actually, the care package system is alive and well, although other-directed: for US soldiers abroad. If you tap into anysoldier.com you can find your own unit to support through packages and letters. And yes, many Americans are responding. Sure, a number of them do so out of patriotism and support for the war, but there are others, like me, who protested the war AND feel responsible for OUR soldiers. I now have an entirely different view of what is going on in Iraq and Afghanistan because there are people I care about who are there. I think that a similar connection with the Iraqi people would not end the war, but would solidify any positive feelings that they have toward the Western world, and, even more importantly, would give Americans a real stake in the day-to-day violence over there. There is no substitute for that kind of personal connection.

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