Comments on: A big victory: Golan v. Gonzales https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3427 2002-2015 Thu, 27 Sep 2018 23:36:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: Pac Ford Cbank https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3427#comment-22456 Thu, 27 Sep 2018 23:36:00 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/09/a_big_victory_golan_v_gonzales.html#comment-22456 great it is
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By: Counsel https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3427#comment-22454 Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:36:03 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/09/a_big_victory_golan_v_gonzales.html#comment-22454 If it is legal to “share” my CD with a friend, why is it not legal to “share” my content in a digital format–especially if I bought it in a digital format (iTunes, etc.)?

The “old-school” definition of “share” might be that the “owner” of the license no longer had use of the content while it was being “shared.” This is doable with technology.

However, is that what is required?

I might have made a digital copy of my CD. If that digital copy of the CD’s content is on my iPhone, can I share the CD? IF I can, I see no reason why I can’t share the “digital” file.

Would the Court look, at all, to whether someone posts content (digital media–song, movie, etc.) “on” the Internet that can be freely-downloaded any differently than content that I retain control over its “sharing?”

If I can legally share my CD that I purchased, and my friend likes the songs but just listens to them while her brother copies the CD and posts it on-line, I am not guilty of a crime while my friend’s brother may be guilty.

In the same light, I can share my digital file to a friend (controlling its release rather than allowing free downloads). Nobody can control what the person with whom I have shared the content (or their brother) will do with the content. If they break the law and distribute it without a license, they may be guilty of the crime, but am I?

The issue, contrary to Matt Oppenheim, is not what the media the content is stored on but what rights I have to the content itself.

Or am I way off base?

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By: Kudry https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3427#comment-22453 Sun, 28 Oct 2007 16:54:07 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/09/a_big_victory_golan_v_gonzales.html#comment-22453 “There was an interesting discussion on the Volokh blog that suggested that the 10th’s argument is based on a logical fallacy. It revolved around the the idea that if First-Amendment review is necessary because the “contours” have changed, it’s a false conclusion based upon ‘denying the antecedent.’

In other words, the cited language in Eldred does not support a review, and it’s fallacious to say it does.

That can sound like an awfully compelling argument against the decision, but it can be successfully addressed.

If the cited language were a simple logical proposition, then the logical conclusion that ‘If nP then nQ’ would clearly be a fallacy, as noted.

But it’s not. Instead, it’s a badly phrased statement that is clearly saying: ‘If a law does alter the traditional contours of copyright protection, then further scrutiny is necessary.’ It’s at least implying that, and the Court needs to either clarify this contention, or dismiss it outright. Otherwise the statement is meaningless.

Whether they will do so or not is the question. My prediction is that they are going to run from it, because with this court and society, ‘property’ trumps everything else. Or they will claim that altering “contours” only means something grave, like abolishing fair use.

Instead of being sloppy, perhaps the author of this statement knew it was a logical trick, and placed it into the language deliberately, in order to thwart further action? These Clerks aren’t dumb. “

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Awesome! Great work! Congratulations!

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By: Jim Carlile https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3427#comment-22452 Mon, 08 Oct 2007 13:17:30 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/09/a_big_victory_golan_v_gonzales.html#comment-22452 There was an interesting discussion on the Volokh blog that suggested that the 10th’s argument is based on a logical fallacy. It revolved around the the idea that if First-Amendment review is necessary because the “contours” have changed, it’s a false conclusion based upon ‘denying the antecedent.’

In other words, the cited language in Eldred does not support a review, and it’s fallacious to say it does.

That can sound like an awfully compelling argument against the decision, but it can be successfully addressed.

If the cited language were a simple logical proposition, then the logical conclusion that ‘If nP then nQ’ would clearly be a fallacy, as noted.

But it’s not. Instead, it’s a badly phrased statement that is clearly saying: ‘If a law does alter the traditional contours of copyright protection, then further scrutiny is necessary.’ It’s at least implying that, and the Court needs to either clarify this contention, or dismiss it outright. Otherwise the statement is meaningless.

Whether they will do so or not is the question. My prediction is that they are going to run from it, because with this court and society, ‘property’ trumps everything else. Or they will claim that altering “contours” only means something grave, like abolishing fair use.

Instead of being sloppy, perhaps the author of this statement knew it was a logical trick, and placed it into the language deliberately, in order to thwart further action? These Clerks aren’t dumb.

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By: Rob Falk https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3427#comment-22451 Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:51:18 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/09/a_big_victory_golan_v_gonzales.html#comment-22451 This is a nice victory. Congratulations.

But what of this case on remand? It would seem that the review will be on the content-neutral narrowly tailored/significant governmental interest standard.

Isn’t the statute narrow, affecting only copyrighted foreign works in public domain in US, and isn’t conforming our IP laws to the rest of the world a significant governmental interest?

I don’t like the result of § 514, but I wonder if this decision really changes anything.

Rob

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By: lucychili https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3427#comment-22450 Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:48:33 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/09/a_big_victory_golan_v_gonzales.html#comment-22450 Ah yay!
I hope this is the first step of some really sensible structural thinking about how to value creativity in a collaborative era. Gluck

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By: Mike Johnson https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3427#comment-22449 Sat, 08 Sep 2007 05:52:50 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/09/a_big_victory_golan_v_gonzales.html#comment-22449 Congratulations, and thank you.

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By: maiden https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3427#comment-22448 Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:00:56 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/09/a_big_victory_golan_v_gonzales.html#comment-22448 Thank you for taking the time and effort to pursue such important issues of public domain/ public trust. I know many people such as myself who all agree that the system is like a giant overlord that swats at the life of human freedoms. Yet, we must continue to battle against the unrelenting pressures of totalinarianism that must be fought in any age until we reach the united front which will ultimately overturn its injustices in every form. What we do today is making a critical impact on the future for our children. Oppression must be fought whatever the cost to our personal time or lesuire, for freedom is priceless, but it is not free. Keep up the good work.

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By: jay https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3427#comment-22447 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 00:42:34 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/09/a_big_victory_golan_v_gonzales.html#comment-22447 Congratulations! Meanwhile I see the lobbyists trying to chip away at fair use over on the CNET news site:
http://news.com.com/Fair+use+is+not+a+consumer+right/2010-1030_3-6205977.html?tag=nefd.top

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