Comments on: The made-up dramas of the Wall Street Journal https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3704 2002-2015 Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:30:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: Stanford https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3704#comment-26833 Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:30:21 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/12/the_madeup_dramas_of_the_wall.html#comment-26833 As a Stanford undergraduate, I see all of this liberal trash on a daily basis. Your pal Obama has completely screwed the US economy through his liberal agenda that he incorrectly labels a “stimulus.” Stanford professors are overwhelmingly liberal and also overwhelmingly ignorant. On the other hand, The Wall Street Journal provides insightful commentary. Take your socialist junk out of my country. You have ruined it.

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By: Brian Hayashi https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3704#comment-26832 Thu, 25 Dec 2008 00:36:32 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/12/the_madeup_dramas_of_the_wall.html#comment-26832 It appears that Google is offering to help fund the construction of “private highways” co-located within the network provider’s facilities. (Ironically, this approach is the same strategy used by the original Worldcom business unit LDDS to grow rapidly and ultimately gobble up MCI — but that’s a story for another day.)

(As far as my credentials, I was one of the first 12 people to work on a little startup called @Home — itself a content caching business, optimizing data delivery via cable operators — starting in December 1993, as an employee for TCI Technology Ventures in partnership with Kleiner Perkins.)

To say that Google would start emulating what Akamai and Limelight have been doing for years is not correct — in fact, Google is and has been a world leader in content caching pretty much since its inception. And unlike Akamai, AWS, Limelight, etc. — which generally use HTTP to accelerate content on a fair and equal basis — Google routinely appends metadata to content which promotes its linking business.

Of course other companies could do it — if they could afford to, that is. A CDN costs billions to deploy in a positive economy. The recession has eviscerated network operator’s access to credit, making them more willing to contemplate a Faustian bargain, in essence granting preferential (or even most-favored nation) access without having to call it discriminatory access tiering. In return, the network operator gets cash and gets to decide how to prioritize Google’s access. While it doesn’t automatically lead to priority access, I’ve seen enough of these deals to know that they have the potential of degrading other communication streams, which is the premise that Net Neutrality advocates are most passionate about.

If Google were serious about maintaining its stance on network neutrality, they should render their access agreements transparent to the public, and demonstrate how they their implementation would support non-preferential FIFO access.

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By: AH https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3704#comment-26831 Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:57:50 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/12/the_madeup_dramas_of_the_wall.html#comment-26831 No offense to anyone, but I think Professor Lessig’s title is Professor, not Dr. Last I checked a JD, even from Yale, doesn’t get someone the title of doctor. Either that, or Prof. Lessig is the first academic I’ve seen to omit a PhD or M.D. from his CV.

As to the substance of the post, it’s dead-on, the WSJ is grasping at straws. Their understanding of the issues is closer to “the Internet as a series of tubes” than a deep understanding of what is going on.

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By: geewhizbatman https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3704#comment-26830 Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:07:30 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/12/the_madeup_dramas_of_the_wall.html#comment-26830 > For the detractors and people who claim that
> it has changed since being bought out by News
> Corp, what do you read? Where do you get your
> financial information? I would like alternatives.

The Economist

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By: George Ou https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3704#comment-26829 Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:45:44 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/12/the_madeup_dramas_of_the_wall.html#comment-26829 Robb Topolski says: “And before someone takes this oversimplification into a statement that QoS has no place on the Internet, that’s wrong. QoS (or ToS, DiffServ, etc.) has plenty of place — as long as it’s done IAW the Internet Standards — which tend to require the operators to respect the handling directives of the customers, not to decide these things for themselves.”

Sure, and I argue that the ISP should have a default setting that should be overridden by the priority labels set by the application default or the consumer when they are within the priority budget they’ve paid for. We can’t assume that most consumers know how to set up QoS so there has to be reasonable defaults. QoS has to have reasonable budgets for varying levels of priority or else everyone would simply label 100% of their packets as top priority so they can get a leg up on everyone else. If you look at how QoS works in the market place, there are always contractual limits on how many packets can be labeled a certain class of priority.

The Markey type Net Neutrality bill (similar to Snowe/Dorgan), which Professor Lessig now clearly states he opposes, effectively breaks QoS because if everything has priority, then nothing has priority.

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By: Robb Topolski https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3704#comment-26828 Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:12:01 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/12/the_madeup_dramas_of_the_wall.html#comment-26828 @Daniel Stern, George Ou

George imagines a network that prefers certain protocols because they are light and others because they are bulk, without regard for the fact that there’s nothing light or bulk about the protocols — it’s the content.

We use HTTP a lot today, and that’s because it’s better. Imagine what would happen if we still used Gopher today, and operators all prioritized Gopher. HTTP couldn’t win on a network that prioritized gopher.

The network must be neutral for natural winners to emerge. Efficiency at 8-ball isn’t in tilting the table, it’s in making the most holes in the fewest number of shots.

And before someone takes this oversimplification into a statement that QoS has no place on the Internet, that’s wrong. QoS (or ToS, DiffServ, etc.) has plenty of place — as long as it’s done IAW the Internet Standards — which tend to require the operators to respect the handling directives of the customers, not to decide these things for themselves.

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By: test https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3704#comment-26827 Tue, 16 Dec 2008 22:01:13 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/12/the_madeup_dramas_of_the_wall.html#comment-26827 Professor Lessig,

Please take a look at this.

http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/15/mainly-its-servants/

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By: Daniel Stern https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3704#comment-26826 Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:50:37 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/12/the_madeup_dramas_of_the_wall.html#comment-26826 Thank you George Ou, for bringing an important level of granularity that no one else is talking about in this debate. The devils truly are in the details, and I encourage everyone to download and read the report you link to in your comment!

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By: szlevi https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3704#comment-26825 Tue, 16 Dec 2008 21:02:05 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/12/the_madeup_dramas_of_the_wall.html#comment-26825 By Paulo:

“You would think people who worry about the media would be able to spell Murdoch.”

You’d think someone must be unemployed and left without family to spend time posting idiotic nitpicking posts about spelling errors…

“Is this dingbat corner? The Captcha’s make more sense than a lot of posters on here.”

Well then it didn’t do a good job with you either – there’s nothing more pathetic than a loser who types up the post, types in his details, types in the Captcha etc but all this only to post a completely useless post about spelling errors while complaining about worthless posts…

…sweet irony – too bad your kind of dingbats are immune because your post was priceless!

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By: Dave https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3704#comment-26824 Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:06:13 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/12/the_madeup_dramas_of_the_wall.html#comment-26824 So, you, Richard Whitt, Save the Internet, Public Knowledge, David Isenberg, Wired and others have disagreed enough with what the WSJ reported as fact that you all have posted public comments to that effect…

…And still no comment from the WSJ or the authors? The Internet isn’t killing old media; old media is killing itself.

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