Comments on: Obama reaffirms support for "open debates" https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3626 2002-2015 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:27:34 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: Mike https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3626#comment-25644 Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:27:34 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/10/obama_reaffirms_support_for_op.html#comment-25644 Americans should be VERY disturbed about what has happened this election season.

Barrack Obama has advertisements up that say, “Come join the “movement”!” (Movement? I thought we were electing a president?)

We have a corrupt and biased news media who is furthering the Obama “movement” by hiding all the details of his corrupt and anti-American past.

We have teachers teaching their students to sing songs praising Obama, much like is done in church when people sing praising God.

We have a cult-like mindset across the United States. We have people who follow Obama much like the zealots followed Jim Jones, David Koresh, and Hitler.

We have a presidential candidate who says, “I am the one you have been waiting for” and who designs his OWN presidential seal and now a flag. We have a presidential candidate who doesn’t salute our flag and who goes overseas and talks trash about our country. Yet we have people right here in the United States who still want to vote for him.

I find all of this very disturbing. I have done my research and tried to find ONE extraordinary thing that Barrack Obama has done in his lifetime to deserve all this worship and devotion.

Did he ever climb a tree to save a kitten? No. Did he give away all his money to the poor? No. Did he ever travel to a third world country and take along a present or some food for the starving? No.

So now I am asking one of you Obama-bots who are so soaked in the Obama Kool-aid to tell me ONE thing extraordinary that Barrack Obama has done for his fellow man that has earned your devotion.

I am only asking for one.

Feel free to E-Mail me so we can further discuss.
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By: Tyrone https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3626#comment-25643 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 04:03:35 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/10/obama_reaffirms_support_for_op.html#comment-25643 WHY I AM VOTING FOR OBAMA

Women
“”From the first moment a woman dared to speak that hope – dared to believe that the American Dream was meant for her too – ordinary women have taken on extraordinary odds to give their daughters the chance for something else; for a life more equal, more free, and filled with more opportunity than they ever had. In so many ways we have succeeded, but in so many areas we have much work left to do.” – Barack Obama, Speech in Washington, DC, 11/10/05
Veterans
As a member of the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee, Senator Obama is committed to helping the heroes who defend our nation today and the veterans who fought in years past. A grandson of a World War II veteran who went to college on the G.I. Bill, Senator Obama has reached out to Republicans and Democrats in order to honor our commitment to America’s veterans.
Iraq
Before the war in Iraq ever started, Senator Obama said that it was wrong in its conception. In 2002, then Illinois State Senator Obama said Saddam Hussein posed no imminent threat to the United States and that invasion would lead to an occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. Since then, Senator Obama has laid out a plan on the way forward in Iraq that has largely been affirmed by the bipartisan Iraq Study Group led by James Baker and Lee Hamilton.

Education
Throughout America’s history, education has been the vehicle for social and economic mobility, giving hope and opportunity to millions of young people. Our schools must prepare students not only to meet the demands of the global economy, but also help students take their place as committed and engaged citizens. It must ensure that all students have a quality education regardless of race, class, or background. Barack Obama is committed to strengthening our public schools to maximize our country’s greatest natural resource – the American people. Obama believes that we must equip poor and struggling districts, both rural and urban, with the support and resources they need to provide disadvantaged students with an opportunity to reach their full potential. Too often, our leaders present this issue as an either – or debate, divided between giving our schools more funding, or demanding more accountability. Obama believes that we have to do both, and has offered innovative ideas to break through the political stalemate in Washington.

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By: Richard Bennett https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3626#comment-25642 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:44:07 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/10/obama_reaffirms_support_for_op.html#comment-25642 The Open Debate thing would be a lot more compelling if these events were really debates and not just the usual collection of sound bites. And while I support Obama/Biden in the election, it would be a lot easier if his tech policy were not so heavily influenced by charlatans.

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By: masduqi https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3626#comment-25641 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:12:07 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/10/obama_reaffirms_support_for_op.html#comment-25641 Obama, I think you can fighting and wining this election. don’t afraid if you lose in vote. that just war of media to appear that you are loser. see next time if you will be the winner….!

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By: electioneagle https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3626#comment-25640 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:03:01 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/10/obama_reaffirms_support_for_op.html#comment-25640 The most important aspect of this debate is the absence of the other candidates. Are McCain and Obama really the only ones running…?

It used to be that the major contenders would invite Third Party candidates to participate, but neither McCain nor Obama have extended such invitations — even after being gently reminded that it would be good form to do so.

Does it not seem immoral that a candidate who has gained ballot access in a sufficient number of states to theoretically be able to acquire the requisite number of electoral college votes should be denied access to the debates…? Does it not reflect an abominable sense of entitlement from both major candidates…?

That both Obama and McCain would be party to such immorality speaks volumes about their character.
Neither of these men impress me.

Having said that, to choose between the two evils, here’s a slick tool: unfuse.com

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By: Scot Hampton https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3626#comment-25639 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 06:08:36 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/10/obama_reaffirms_support_for_op.html#comment-25639 I produced the three (and after tonight, four) debate promo mashups airing on current tv (watch them online here: http://current.com/debate) and have been keenly following these developments. I wanted to thank you LL for tackling this issue, since I too feel like the entire debates should be Public Domain.

For the first mashup I cut, I chose debate footage from Kennedy/Nixon in 1960, which I found on the Prelinger Archives and, according to Prelinger, the footage was Public Domain. However, I learned shortly thereafter this wasn’t the case. I had to track down the footage through ABC and it was a nightmare. It took forever at first, and then ABC only give us two minutes (and a crappy two minutes at best), but I made the best of it (http://current.com/items/89320597_hack_the_debate_promo_2). If I had wanted more, we would have had to pay for it. Over the last few weeks, we’ve had to pay, er, license, any footage we wanted for an exorbitant amount for what I feel should be Public Domain.

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By: Bedford Alls https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3626#comment-25638 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 04:40:00 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/10/obama_reaffirms_support_for_op.html#comment-25638 I can’t believe for a moment the Americans will elect a President who hates them and wants their entire population dead and has a lifetime of affiliations to back him up. Are Americans in a suicidal trance? Did he hypnotize them? They’d better snap out of it and wake up, or someone will have to come into America and rescue them. And there will be nothing good about that.

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By: Bedford Alls https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3626#comment-25637 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 04:37:11 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/10/obama_reaffirms_support_for_op.html#comment-25637 I can’t believe for a moment the Americans will elect a President who hates them and wants their entire population dead and has a lifetime of affiliations to back him up. Are Americans in a suicidal trance? Did he hypnotize them? they’d better snap out of it and wake up, or someone will have to come into America and rescue them. And there will be nothing good about that.

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By: Steve Baba https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3626#comment-25636 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 01:42:35 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/10/obama_reaffirms_support_for_op.html#comment-25636 I hate to tell you Snowflake, but there is a very good change that the government (taxpayers) will make a profit on the “bailout.” Compared to other investors, the government can borrow at a lower cost and the government has some control over the economy, which affects the number of defaults.

Of course the challengers want to present the incumbent in a bad light; it’s $700 billion down the drain to billionaires. Since some of the candidates have promised “everything to everyone,” even if the bailout does not drain a dollar from government’s cash flow, do you think a winning candidate is going to say “I can’t deliver on my promises because I promised 4 times what anyone could deliver (I lied) ” or “I can’t deliver on my promises because of the previous administration.”

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By: Snowflake Seven https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3626#comment-25635 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 00:09:15 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/10/obama_reaffirms_support_for_op.html#comment-25635 While access to video of the debates is important, and citizen-submitted questions even more so, I am concerned that the notion of the debates, much less the call for open ones, does not include all presidential candidates.

Often the debates are framed with the narrative that they will allow the candidates the opportunity to highlight their differences for public examination. That is rarely the result. If, however, the dissenting voices in our country, who run for president with dramatically different views, were allowed into the debates and given the respect candidates are deserving of then we would be better served.

The tireless fight of concerned and courageous citizens with respectful and rational platforms outside that of the two corporately sponsored parties must be treated equally under our system of government. Our presidential election process is as dependent on monied influence as our Congress. We have allowed the wealthy class to anoint candidates they deem corporately righteous. This has to change.

Recall how Sen. Obama, Sen. McCain, Sen. Biden and Gov. Palin all dodged the question about which of there administration’s campaign promises would now be axed because of appropriations to fund the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act. Now imagine if Citizen Nader, Citizen Barr, Citizen McKinney and Citizen Baldwin were there to present their positions and in doing so demonstrate the huge gaps between the corporate candidates policies and promises.

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