Comments on: Killing Philadelphia freedom https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2854 2002-2015 Wed, 15 Dec 2004 04:51:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: Dave https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2854#comment-8509 Wed, 15 Dec 2004 04:51:05 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/killing_philadelphia_freedom.html#comment-8509 It’s THAT which really is freedom, not what some tax-to-death liberal decides should be mandatory.

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By: dave https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2854#comment-8508 Wed, 15 Dec 2004 04:49:59 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/killing_philadelphia_freedom.html#comment-8508 Dear PHilly,

Don’t raise my taxes to pay for a service which people should pay for themselves, if they choose.

Thank YOu,
Joe Taxpayer

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By: joe https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2854#comment-8507 Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:46:03 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/killing_philadelphia_freedom.html#comment-8507 Here’s what Rendell said upon signing the thing, see http://www.governor.state.pa.us/governor/cwp/view.asp?a=1115&q=439505

Please, people, read before ranting.

MUNICIPAL BAN

There are communities across the state, such as Kutztown, which have taken the initiative to develop an integrated telecommunications network that provides advanced telephone and cable television service. There are other communities, ranging in size from Perryopolis to Philadelphia that are attempting to launch wireless networks�Wi-Fi networks as they are known in the industry�which will enable their residents to have high speed connection to the Internet.

Early versions of House Bill 30 precluded communities from developing their own networks. The final version of the bill allows existing municipal systems to continue to operate and provides local governments and authorities a one-year window to develop these networks. Municipalities that are providing telecommunications service through a municipally owned or created network as of January 1, 2006 can continue to offer and provide the services �to the extent and scope� that these services were provided before that date. After that window closes, municipalities must offer the incumbent telephone company the right of first refusal to provide the proposed service. Then, the municipality can proceed with its proposed network only if the ILEC waives it�s right of first refusal under this act.

Verizon has already agreed to waive its right of first refusal in regard to Philadelphia�s proposed municipal Wi-Fi network guaranteeing that that particular project can proceed. They have done so in a signed agreement with the City. We will work with other municipalities on projects that they have established or propose to establish in order to ensure that, to the extent that they are now viable, they will also have the opportunity to succeed.

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By: Jardinero1 https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2854#comment-8506 Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:58:45 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/killing_philadelphia_freedom.html#comment-8506 Were they going to pass out free computers as well?

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By: Karl https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2854#comment-8505 Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:41:48 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/killing_philadelphia_freedom.html#comment-8505 I’m sure alot of people have said electricity wasn’t important either when Edison invented the lightbulb. I’m also sure alot of people said asphault roads weren’t important when the car was invented. Internet connectivity will be esential because society is creating a need for it. They say neccessity is the mother of invention, but in this case invention is the mother of neccessity.

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By: robert e https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2854#comment-8504 Sun, 28 Nov 2004 02:40:55 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/killing_philadelphia_freedom.html#comment-8504 Please, folks, this is 802.11b we’re talking about! This is not some huge public works project with a lot of potential for lucrative pork. The original estimate was $10-15 million, and we already have a low bid of $5 million. The transceivers “falling off trucks” are even now worth about $20 retail. By this time next year, 802.11b will be considered antiquated and limited, suited only for free public nets and monastic households with limited bandwidth needs. If this were a business worth competing for, there would have been fierce commercial activity. There hasn’t been.

This is what government is for–to step in where private business can’t, for the sake of promoting the general welfare and turbocharging the pursuit of happiness. For the modest investment and maintenance costs, the potential boone to local businesses, city services, education, and even Verizon’s own field operations, is incalculable, not to mention the demand for WiFi-enabled gadgets.

Verizon still charges $20/mo for unlimited dialup. Let’s assume that price is a reflection of their cost plus an honest profit. If the people can provide basic net access for themselves far more efficiently, as seems to be the case, and in so doing provide what is now essential infrastructure for commerce, why shouldn’t they? What is wrong with motivating private enterprises to put their resources to more productive and profitable uses and more viable markets?

As the comments above have elucidated in so many ways, honest competition would still be possible on many differentiating factors, such as security, bandwidth and quality of service. The City proposes to fill only the least (if at all) profitable niche.

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By: BigMediaBlog.com / Lonewacko https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2854#comment-8503 Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:57:50 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/killing_philadelphia_freedom.html#comment-8503 And, another thing. This will create yet another State bureaucracy. They’ll have to conduct a $eries of $tudies using con$lutants, if you know what I mean. It will be a power center to which people who support the local establishment can be appointed. No doubt more than a few WiFi transceivers will fall off the back of several trucks. Etc. etc. etc.

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By: Max Lybbert https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2854#comment-8502 Fri, 26 Nov 2004 01:02:51 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/killing_philadelphia_freedom.html#comment-8502 I can see the principle of keeping the state out from stifling a vibrant business community, but I think an automatic policy that prohibits any potentially competing activity is ridiculous. In this particular case, the wi-fi network would help local businesses, and was suggested because many companies didn’t think the numbers added up for Philly.

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By: raoul https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2854#comment-8501 Thu, 25 Nov 2004 14:53:22 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/killing_philadelphia_freedom.html#comment-8501 We will have to build our own private/ open to the public wi-fi networks. Everyone in my apartment complex is welcome to access the internet.

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By: Cindy Loo Who https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2854#comment-8500 Wed, 24 Nov 2004 22:40:20 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/killing_philadelphia_freedom.html#comment-8500 Larry! You’ve become a libertarian! I can’t wait to tell Declan!
One of us,
One of us,
Gooble Goble
One of us,
We accept Larry,
One of us!

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