Comments on: wow, those spammers are quick https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2204 2002-2015 Sat, 26 Jul 2003 20:02:57 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: Sandy McMurray https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2204#comment-1457 Sat, 26 Jul 2003 20:02:57 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/05/wow_those_spammers_are_quick.html#comment-1457 I posted a similar message on my site shortly after your notice was posted.
http://www.techstuff.ca/archives/archives/1443.html

It took spammers much longer to grab the address from my site, but they did.

So… how do I collect my money? 😉
Sandy

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By: James https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2204#comment-1456 Thu, 29 May 2003 17:10:53 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/05/wow_those_spammers_are_quick.html#comment-1456 Matthew —

Very smart post — your argument makes a lot of sense. In fact, Lessig’s apparent belief that spammers should be bound by the terms of the contract, even though the address was simply harvested by a program, would seem to result in fairly restrictive uses of the web. Don’t we want to allow machines to be able to harvest information (even if the harvesting, in this case, has unpleasant consequences)?

To say that every person whose computer speaks to another computer, is held to have constructively assented to the terms of the contract, would seem to be an anti-innovation position to take.

I’d be interested to hear Lessig’s response to your argument.

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By: Watcher https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2204#comment-1455 Wed, 28 May 2003 00:59:19 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/05/wow_those_spammers_are_quick.html#comment-1455 Have you considered the possibility that pobox.com could have sold your email address to some spam fiends?

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By: Karl https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2204#comment-1454 Tue, 27 May 2003 20:54:46 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/05/wow_those_spammers_are_quick.html#comment-1454 Professor,

It seems like the posting of this address on a site that is frequented is likely a downfall of any potential litigation. It is entirely possible that I, or any other visitor, could have taken your address and signed you up for any number of mailings. I’m pretty sure that all of this is done tounge-in-cheek, but if you are really hoping to succeed in collecting on the claim, I’d suggest you place a similar message on a site that is not so busy…perhaps one that is not even obviously linked to your page, such that people are far less likely to see it, but spambots can still access it.

-kd

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By: K. Ari Krupnikov https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2204#comment-1453 Tue, 27 May 2003 19:44:16 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/05/wow_those_spammers_are_quick.html#comment-1453 The href in this post is broken and includes part of the post instead of the ID.

Ari.

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By: BillSaysThis https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2204#comment-1452 Mon, 26 May 2003 13:27:17 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/05/wow_those_spammers_are_quick.html#comment-1452 Larry, please be sure and post an entry when you receive your first check or conversely, when hell freezes over.

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By: Romany https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2204#comment-1451 Sun, 25 May 2003 05:33:12 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/05/wow_those_spammers_are_quick.html#comment-1451 Not sure if you already saw
this…

California senate passes antispam bill
(By Carly Suppa, IDG News Service)

Not waiting for the U.S. Congress to take action against spam, the California State Senate passed a bill Thursday that would turn spam from a misdemeanor to a felony offense and cost spammers an estimated US$500 per unsolicited e-mail sent….

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By: john allspaw https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2204#comment-1450 Sun, 25 May 2003 03:45:40 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/05/wow_those_spammers_are_quick.html#comment-1450 Matthew — you say “it�s really dangerous to allow contracts readable only by humans to be enforceably formed by transactions that are commonly made without human intervention.”

you don’t think that there’s something wrong with saying that email harvesting bots for the sole purpose of sending spam is “commonly” done ? and without human intervention ? while it’s not illegal to screen-scrape email addresses from web pages, such as Professor Lessig’s blog here, it is becoming more and more illegal to send unsolicited email *TO* that address.

your analogy of visiting a web page with an encoded terms of service doesn’t quite apply, either. the visiting of a web page and the protocols involved with such a transaction doesn’t impose any inconvenience to the owner of the web page, whereas receiving unsolicited email can be argued to be an inconvenience. (as are receiving junk faxes and telemarketing commercial phone calls, which are becoming illegal as well)

just because the bot can’t read or accept the contract under which email to that address is permitted is no excuse for sending email to it in violation of that contract.

basically, there shouldn’t be any email sent to that address. the burden of reading and/or accepting the contract falls on the individual who is responsible for running the email harvesting robot, and if he/she doesn’t read the contract, it’s not Mr. Lessig’s fault.

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By: Karl https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2204#comment-1449 Sun, 25 May 2003 03:06:54 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/05/wow_those_spammers_are_quick.html#comment-1449 The offer is here.

-kd

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By: damon https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2204#comment-1448 Sun, 25 May 2003 02:55:55 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/05/wow_those_spammers_are_quick.html#comment-1448 Where is the offer text? I think the HREF may be messed up.

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