Comments on: The Congressional Quran: This is brilliant https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3319 2002-2015 Tue, 17 Dec 2019 13:48:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: sink luxe https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3319#comment-15433 Tue, 17 Dec 2019 13:48:00 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/01/the_congressional_quran_this_i.html#comment-15433 هود سنجر
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By: 10 museum park https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3319#comment-15432 Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:41:08 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/01/the_congressional_quran_this_i.html#comment-15432 Any possitive benefits associated with religion is overshadowed by the war and strife it has caused to humanity for centuries.

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By: Teklis Sesemar https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3319#comment-15431 Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:50:10 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/01/the_congressional_quran_this_i.html#comment-15431 The Holy Quran was written in a tribal laguage. All Quran’s (Koran’s) are complete with the words passed on to the Prophet. It is a complete Sunnah. The highest Muslim position is Imam (teacher). Any books or statements that say it is Haddith or Sunnah from the Prophet are not Islamic. The Prophet is dead! The requirements to become a Muslim are following the laws of Moses, the actions of Abraham that are written in the Holy Quran along with all other commands of AL-Lah All is in the Holy Quran. Nowhere else. The Imam of a group of Muslims must come from the one who knows the Holy Quran best. When the Imam is finnished his teaching, each person should read his words from the Holy quran. We were blessed with a brain to understand. Should a Haddith or other Sunnah be used. Leave the Mosque and go to a quite place to read the Quran “only” Peace be with you.

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By: Guard https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3319#comment-15430 Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:37:37 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/01/the_congressional_quran_this_i.html#comment-15430 this is for what Allan at the very beginning of these comments….
Muslim Nations are compared to Catholics (plus many other variations of christians) and QURAN AND ISLAM is compared to christianity & Bible… i guarantee u have not even read one line of quran nor heard it (it almost inclueds all teachings of bible plus more)…
How do u judge ISLAM & Quran and all muslims based on actions and words of those who “claim” they are muslims and use Islam for their own benefit and change word of god (allah) to keep their earthy power for while longer…. Research son…. research and research… be sure about what u say…. Maybe at the present time many of those countries who claim to be Islamic societies or governments are really not behind the scenes who knows……Islam is about peace …do u know what the first arabic phrase every muslim learns is??? بسم الله الرّحمن آلرّحیم (which means in the name of allah who is Merciful and the compassionate….. those who kill innocents for “any” reason or excuse are among those who will be sent to hell according to Islam in the judgement day….

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By: Stephen Roop https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3319#comment-15429 Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:25:46 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/01/the_congressional_quran_this_i.html#comment-15429 Before getting too happy about Rep. Ellison, consider the recent Christopher Hitchens piece (Slate, January 9, 2007) on all this. If–I do say if–Hitchens is right, the Qu’ ran may be almost an irrelevance.

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By: jh https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3319#comment-15428 Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:39:16 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/01/the_congressional_quran_this_i.html#comment-15428 if the consitution is the document youre swearing to uphold should it not be the document you swear on? regardless of faith or other interests?

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By: Quila https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3319#comment-15427 Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:16:32 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/01/the_congressional_quran_this_i.html#comment-15427 You two are missing the point — it’s the symbolism. He was likely sworn in on a symbol of strife between the US and Muslim nations. The pirates weren’t just a few Muslims, but the governors and admirals of the Ottoman Caliphate (leader of the Islamic world).

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By: Jim Carlile https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3319#comment-15426 Mon, 08 Jan 2007 00:29:29 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/01/the_congressional_quran_this_i.html#comment-15426 Hey “anna” and “john:” are these responses the best you can come up with?

Ah, the discomfiture of the Right, when faced with the incontrovertibles.

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By: anna https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3319#comment-15425 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 23:35:48 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/01/the_congressional_quran_this_i.html#comment-15425 your websites are crappy, i mean, FRAMES?!?!?!?!

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By: Jim Downey https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3319#comment-15424 Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:39:36 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2007/01/the_congressional_quran_this_i.html#comment-15424 Firstly, I think it interesting that the Qu’ran used was owned by Thomas Jefferson. This provenance points to something that the Political and Religious Right do not want to openly discuss: some of our founders and framers were a lot more open to understanding and appreciating–even if only by way of acedemic curiosity–religious and spiritual traditions outside of mainstream Protestant Christianity.

If we combine this little tidbit of history, combines with the debates that accompanied the development of the First Amendment, the Memorial and Remonstrance delivered to the General Assembly of Virginia by James Madison, and an accurate reading of the various Federalist Papers, we find a lot more religious tolerance in our founding days than we often see among the ultraconservatives engaging in the pseudo-culture wars of today.

Secondly, I am disturbed by some of the more sarcastic and sardonic comments added to this post (i.e. “this is a smelly political stunt” and “Subjugation of women? Execution of gays? Elimination of political freedom? Forced coversion of atheists to Islam (or death)?”) that demonstrate an ignorance (or a scorning) of our history, our culture and the first principles and spiritual values embedded and embodied in our Constitution.

Thirdly, I am impressed by the congressman’s commitment to his faith and office. In Islamic tradition, a Muslim that takes an oath on the Qu’ran will not be forgiven or given any mercy if that oath is not fulfilled. There was a time when an oath meant something in our society, especially when sworn on something held sacred. Today, however, oaths are scorned, ignored or viewed as a de facto procedure for obtaining a job. This scornful view of taking an oath is probably the reason so many military officers have not stood up for the Constitution in accordance with their oath of office by presenting legitimate questions about the conduct of our nation in Iraq. It is also probably the reason why so many congressman–senators and reps–failed to question the casting aside of basic hyman rights and guaranteed civil liberties when passing the USA Patriot Act, yacitly endorsing or condoning the violations of FISA, the failure to challenge so-called “signing statements” that circumvent the rule of law, etc.

The scornful view of taking an oath may also be the root cause of the influence peddling/brokering that brought about the plague of scandals in congress, the White House, the SEC, the FCC, and the murders and conduct unbecoming by soldiers at Abu Ghraib, Gitmo and elsewhere.

Given that 90% of our citizens in America report to have some spiritual and/or religious conviction, I would think that some modicum of respect for any belief system–including those that are pre-supposed to be based on empiricism–would be a norm for anyone claiming to be scholarly, well-educated, reasoned and measured.

Foirthly, it never ceases to amaze me how many people living in the US–born to citizenship in where most people look for leadership in democracy (depite events and conditions to the contrary)–are ignorant of the history, the principles and the values that were embedded into our Constitution by men who were often bitterly embroiled in debate and conflict over making sure that the problems of autocracy, monarchy, theocracy and fascism were limited in scope and possibility by creating a form of government that guranteed certain rights. Are we becoming a nation so ignorant of our most sacred values that we will soon surrender our freedom as well as our first principles? I am concerned that we may soon see so many divisions and so many efforts to control the views, values and beliefs of others that the “great experiment” will fail. Since I stay in touch with a number of scholars from around the world I often receive e-mail expressing the same concerns from those on the outside looking in.

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