Comments on: "Get a license or do not sample" https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2739 2002-2015 Fri, 17 Sep 2004 05:44:45 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: Larisa Mann https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2739#comment-6801 Fri, 17 Sep 2004 05:44:45 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/09/get_a_license_or_do_not_sample.html#comment-6801 It’s a ridiculous ruling. talk about transaction costs.. can artists afford to get clearance? De La Soul couldn’t have MADE the first album which gave them the wherewithal to get clearance for the second album, if this law had been in effect..

the only upside is it will further inspire artists who sample to look for recordings from countries not yet in the WTO or in our copyright treaties, or not paying attention to them (Bollywood, anyone?) which will make for more interesting samples..

And for those wanting to get involved in civil disobedience:

Downhill battle is teaming up with musician and artist Michael Bell-Smith to offer this response to last week’s ruling:

3 Notes and Runnin’ – http://www.downhillbattle.org/3notes/

The project is an open call for 30 second songs made entirely and exclusively (but not necessarily recognizably) out of the 1.5 second Funkadelic sample that was the focus of the court case.

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By: Leland Johnson https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2739#comment-6800 Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:18:46 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/09/get_a_license_or_do_not_sample.html#comment-6800 One of the communities that this will effect is HydrogenAudio’s codec comparison tests. The codec comparison they do (is AAC better than MP3, etc) run about 10 samples by hundreds of people to make sure most music genres are tested. Now, of course, they could ask permission, but is the music industry or artist going to say, “okay, you and distribute hundreds and hundreds of copies of my 30 second clip to unknown people via bittorrent.”

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By: David Hooper https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2739#comment-6799 Sat, 11 Sep 2004 18:00:44 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/09/get_a_license_or_do_not_sample.html#comment-6799 How frustrating. As somebody in the music business, it’s my opinion that we’re shooting ourselves in the foot. I’m all for people being able to make a living off intellectual property (and am an author and publisher myself), but if we keep living on what we’ve done in the past, we’ll lose out big time in the future. Copyright should be be for the good all society and not just authors.

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By: adamsj https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2739#comment-6798 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 23:57:24 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/09/get_a_license_or_do_not_sample.html#comment-6798 Over at AKMA’s place, a question came to me: What does de minimis say about otherwise harmless use of an accidentally unsecured access point?

What’s the damage? Let’s see–$50/month for DSL, double that for overhead. $100/month would make one cent of that cost prorated equal to 241 seconds. That’s six minutes. In the hypothetical above, involving a buck, you’d have to have a ten-hour session to cost that.

Now, the joker here is specifying otherwise harmless use, so I’m not taking into account whether the owner of the access point is being sufficiently slowed down by the free rider to be harmed (not a back-of-envelope [okay, I used bc] calculation).

That aside, though, am I out to lunch or making sense?

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By: hungerburg https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2739#comment-6797 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:45:54 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/09/get_a_license_or_do_not_sample.html#comment-6797 I can only agree with rod:

The first delasoul album got them some trouble due to unlicensed samples; the second one was all cleared and finicky documented – this ruling will not stop sampling (that was in the 80ies.)

In other news, I have also seen a dvd anthology of amateur video fail, because it was not possible to get at the reproduction rights of used musical tracks (some publishers did not care to answer requests then, some tracks rights holders could not be identified.)

Public performance of copyrighted music is actually made easier than mechanical reproduction: as the collecting societies operate in near monopoly and claim all the worlds repertoire – they gladly collect for performances of works, they dont manage – you are not pressed to ask any questions.

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By: rod https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2739#comment-6796 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 14:40:34 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/09/get_a_license_or_do_not_sample.html#comment-6796 Unfortunately, Three Blind Mice’s closing sentence reflects a view held by many. The problem is that the very people who can afford to sample legally are the people responsible for hip-hop’s supposed mediocrity.

This ruling won’t keep P-Diddy from putting out records as his label can pay for what he uses.

If a label can’t afford to clear the samples on a record, and faces crippling legal repercussions if they release uncleared material, then they won’t put it out. The people affected by heavy enforcement of this ruling would be the independents; local and unsigned acts on smaller labels simply struggling to break even on their releases. Throw in untold thousands of dallars in clearing costs and their output ceases.

This would most definately have a stifling effect on creativity in music.

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By: WJM https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2739#comment-6795 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 12:27:57 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/09/get_a_license_or_do_not_sample.html#comment-6795 There is a difference between inspiration and imitation, the court simply helped to draw a brighter line between the two.

Rubbish.

For thousands of years, poets and other writers of literary works have “sampled” one another. It’s called allusion. Check out a really good, high-quality, well-footnoted and cross-referenced dictionary of quotations some day.

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By: VulcanMike https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2739#comment-6794 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:08:57 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/09/get_a_license_or_do_not_sample.html#comment-6794 To three blind mice’s point, sampling isn’t the source of hip-hop mediocrisy, and the argument can well be made that we wouldn’t hip hop if not for sampling.

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By: Matt Van Horn https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2739#comment-6793 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:41:12 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/09/get_a_license_or_do_not_sample.html#comment-6793 Does this also apply in the case of the visual arts? Would Picasso and Braque be prevented from making their collage pieces from today’s newspapers?

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By: three blind mice https://archives.lessig.org/?p=2739#comment-6792 Fri, 10 Sep 2004 04:38:11 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/09/get_a_license_or_do_not_sample.html#comment-6792 “The appeals court disagreed, saying a recording artist who acknowledges sampling may be liable, even when the source of a sample is unrecognizable. Noting that No Limit Films “had not disputed that it digitally sampled a copyrighted sound recording,” the appeals court sent the case back to the lower court.”

Well, it seems it was certainly recognisable to the artist. Repainting a stolen bicycle so it is not recognisable to the owner, doesn’t absolve the thief of the theft.

There is a difference between inspiration and imitation, the court simply helped to draw a brighter line between the two.

It is particularly ironic that hip-hop artists – many of whom complain that others are riding on their originality –

“You know some of those n-a’s is so deceptive, using my styles like a contraceptive.” – Snoop Dogg

can’t seem to do the math that they are doing the same thing to others.

hopefully, this ruling with spur artists to make an effort and think of something original – and end the dreadful cycle of hip-hop mediocrisy.

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