Comments on: from the how-to-give-away-your-privacy-and-help-me department https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3603 2002-2015 Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:06:03 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.2 By: LK https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3603#comment-25412 Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:06:03 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/09/from_the_howtogiveawayyourpriv.html#comment-25412 If this was a post saying “Use this link to help me get a free iPod” (as you see many referral links) I would be confused. But the fact that it is for such a program, antithetical to the concepts of freedom and equality our constitution is based on, and from a leader at the forefront of such issues is outright shocking and disappointing.

Tear down your idols.

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By: Paulo https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3603#comment-25411 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:35:07 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/09/from_the_howtogiveawayyourpriv.html#comment-25411 “One of the most brilliant tech minds and most generous humanitarians … No criticism is necessary here. Some of you need to rethink your position. This is Lawrence Lessig.”

So the Pope is infallible.

Does this make you the Inquisition?

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By: Kris https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3603#comment-25410 Sun, 28 Sep 2008 02:39:50 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/09/from_the_howtogiveawayyourpriv.html#comment-25410 LL – one of the most brilliant tech minds and most generous humanitarians – made a blog post referring his readers to something he found useful. Thinking practically, he included his referral code.

No criticism is necessary here. Some of you need to rethink your position. This is Lawrence Lessig.

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By: pikkumatti https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3603#comment-25409 Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:25:30 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/09/from_the_howtogiveawayyourpriv.html#comment-25409 Perhaps the bigger point here is that this points out the folly of the Prof.’s “Money is Corrupting” thesis.

It is obvious that the Prof. is not corrupted by the CLEAR friends discount. He enjoys the service for good reason, and that good reason caused him to tell the rest of us.

We all (well, many of us) work for a living. Many of us are fortunate to work in a field in which we believe in the value of the goods or services that we provide — if not, we’d be on the road to insanity or cynicism. And, yes, we are paid for our work, generally because we have skill and experience in what we do. Necessarily corrupting? No. We work in what we believe in, and others find value in that.

To discount the opinions of those who work in a particular field merely because they are paid (oh, the horror) is to exclude from the discussion those who have the most expertise and most knowledge on the topic. I’m not talking about actual “corruption” (i.e., taking a position that one doesn’t believe in order to be paid). All I’m saying is that those who have devoted their vocation to a field, for a living, are the best ones to talk to about that field.

Worse yet, to exclude those in the industry from valid comment is to leave the playing field open only to those who have some other agenda. (See Global Warming.)

This brouhaha is a micro-example. The Prof. actually uses the service, and as such is in the best position to tell us about it — certainly more so than those who do not use the service (and, most likely, do not understand it). Yet his experience is theoretically discounted, by some according to the Principle, because of $10. Leaving us (according to the Principle) to rely only on those who do not have experience with service, and who have some other agenda (else they would be indifferent on the topic).

I’d rethink the “NC Principle”, Prof.

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By: Seth Finkelstein https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3603#comment-25408 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:34:46 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/09/from_the_howtogiveawayyourpriv.html#comment-25408 [Third time, trying to get past the spam-trap]

You walked into the bogospheric minefield of minor monetization. Indeed, I agree with you, in a sense, commentors fussing over a few buck af llnk for someone in your position is the very essence of sweating the small stuff. Nonetheless, the overall issue itself is still a very touchy matter. See my _Guardian_ column about this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/feb/15/media.comment

Regarding the civil-libertarian issues with respect to CLEAR, well, I’ll let someone else take the hit of arguing about that 🙁 .

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By: Guy Yedwab https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3603#comment-25407 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:48:11 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/09/from_the_howtogiveawayyourpriv.html#comment-25407 I don’t happen to believe that Professor Lessig did something “wrong.” The stakes involved are too low for anything to have been wrong. Whatever miniscule profits the corporation may make from Lessig, and whatever miniscule savings he may make in return are far below actually concerning. After all, he was rather frank in admitting “(and here’s the real reason I’m advertising this here)” and I do believe that disclosure does make a difference–one of the things that gives me faith in NBC is that whenever they mention General Electric, it is either preceded or followed by the phrase “NBC’s parent company.”

But. Professor Lessig talked, in his anti-corruption videos and talks, about the image of trust. He said that if a Congressman accepts money from lobbyists or political action groups, it erodes the image of trust, and makes it less trustworthy. If I opened Consumer Reports and saw a good rating for the Clear Service, and a side-note from the editor that putting in a specific code will get him money, that will probably be the last Consumer Reports I will ever read. In fact, I don’t read reviews from magazines that make the majority of their advertising money from the industry they’re reviewing (like video game magazines).

The reaction in this comments section is a perfect illustration of the damaging of the trust. I have a personal belief, taking into account where Professor Lessig has been and what I’ve seen him do, but at the same time, the next time he talks about a service or product, I am not going to take it quite as seriously.

It’s not a huge deal. We’re not talking “Telecoms giving our phone information to the government” privacy issues, and we’re not talking about the Department of the Interior’s crazy sex-oil scandal. But it is still important to note.

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By: pikkumatti https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3603#comment-25406 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:26:40 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/09/from_the_howtogiveawayyourpriv.html#comment-25406 There is exactly nothing wrong about what the Prof. did here. He found a good service for himself, and he wants to tell others about. And there is a “friends” discount that comes with it, so why not?

The remarkable thing about this post is not that the Prof. did this.

The remarkable thing is that he feels somehow guilty about it, and that most of the commenters take him to task for having bought this service (accusing him of hypocrisy, etc.). Y’all need to take a step back and get some perspective — sheesh.

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By: Seth Finkelstein https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3603#comment-25405 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:28:22 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/09/from_the_howtogiveawayyourpriv.html#comment-25405 [Repost because of spam-trap]

You walked into the bogospheric minefield of minor monetization. Indeed, I agree with you, in a sense, commentors fussing over a few buck af llnk for someone in your position is the very essence of sweating the small stuff. Nonetheless, the overall issue itself is still a very touchy matter. See my _Guardian_ column about this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/feb/15/media.comment

Regarding the civil-libertarian issues with respect to CLEAR, well, I’ll let someone else take the hit of arguing about that 🙁 .

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By: Seth Finkelstein https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3603#comment-25404 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:14:22 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/09/from_the_howtogiveawayyourpriv.html#comment-25404 You walked into the bogospheric minefield of minor monetization. Indeed, I agree with you, in a sense, commentors fussing over a few buck affiliate link for someone in your position is the very essence of sweating the small stuff. Nonetheless, the overall issue itself is still a very touchy matter. See my _Guardian_ column about this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/feb/15/media.comment

As for the civil-libertarian issues with CLEAR, well, I’ll let someone else take the hit of arguing about that 🙁 .

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By: elise https://archives.lessig.org/?p=3603#comment-25403 Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:54:54 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/09/from_the_howtogiveawayyourpriv.html#comment-25403 i am enrolled in a similar program here in the UK called IRIS. IRIS, however, is run by the government and completely free. it is open to permanent residents, as well as citizens.

do i like them having biometric data of mine? not particularly.

however, it has taken me anywhere from 1-2 hours to get through the non-EU (i’m American) immigration line alone at airports here in the past. that’s after two flights and 11+ hours of travel in a jet-lagged state. in contrast, when i came back from the States earlier this summer, it took me less than 1 minute with IRIS and there was no line (would’ve taken less time, but i was looking in the wrong place, initially).

the only thing i lament is that IRIS stations can break down. the last time i flew into Heathrow (terminal 1), it was out-of-order and i had to wait in the immigration line like everyone else.

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